Why aren't there any technocracies?
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09-04-2014, 04:51 PM
Why aren't there any technocracies?
Surely the idea to use experts to manage their particular field of a country doesn't require a lot of thought. It seems quite logical to run a country by people who make decisions based on research but atm it seems charisma is more important to be a leader than actual knowledge.

Are politicians really so corrupt that they rather want to earn lots of money instead of appointing experts to a government or is there a more complex reason behind it?

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09-04-2014, 05:22 PM
RE: Why aren't there any technocracies?
(09-04-2014 04:51 PM)Crusher Wrote:  Surely the idea to use experts to manage their particular field of a country doesn't require a lot of thought. It seems quite logical to run a country by people who make decisions based on research but atm it seems charisma is more important to be a leader than actual knowledge.

Are politicians really so corrupt that they rather want to earn lots of money instead of appointing experts to a government or is there a more complex reason behind it?

Who decides what an expert is? Look at what Ken Ham does with the statistical acceptance of evolution among scientists in that he takes a totally irrelevant number who "disagree" and builds and enormous glass palace on the statistic.

I think it's more important to encourage the "ruled" to become as knowledgable about the issues as possible, that will force those elected to lead to be at least as knowledgable, or more knoweldgable. Right now, in the US, voter apathy in terms of understanding the issues is, IMO, the biggest problem. Small wonder that those elected to lead exploit that knoweldge deficiency.
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09-04-2014, 07:09 PM
RE: Why aren't there any technocracies?
Not sure why, but it feels wrong, like eugenics would be inevitable.

probably a dr who or startrek^ stargate episode I'm thinking of.

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10-04-2014, 02:53 AM
RE: Why aren't there any technocracies?
I once posted on another forum the degree of each chancellor of the exchequer for the last several decades. This is the person who decides the finances for the British government. It used to be that politicians with economic degrees got the job, or at least a degree vaguely related. Over time politicians with history degrees or lawyers ended up directly setting the economics of the country. It explains why they all seem to have a lay person's understanding of inflation, deflation, government debt and asset bubbles. None of them had any postgraduate qualifications. I then posted links to the German mainstream media regarding scandals involving some politicians that were accused of plagiarising their PhD thesis.

Imagine if Alan Greenspan or Ben Bernanke were historians or lawyers instead of doctorates in economics. But then again they aren't politicians trying to win votes.

I came to the conclusion that all the skill of a politician now is devoted to getting elected and this means that they don't know what to do once they win power. They only know how to try deflecting the blame.

The problem is if you started to minimise the power that politicians had and give it out to specialists who had a better chance of making informed decisions, the mainstream media would run scare stories about the growth of unelected people who have power over us.
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10-04-2014, 04:53 AM
RE: Why aren't there any technocracies?
(10-04-2014 02:53 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  I once posted on another forum the degree of each chancellor of the exchequer for the last several decades. This is the person who decides the finances for the British government. It used to be that politicians with economic degrees got the job, or at least a degree vaguely related. Over time politicians with history degrees or lawyers ended up directly setting the economics of the country. It explains why they all seem to have a lay person's understanding of inflation, deflation, government debt and asset bubbles. None of them had any postgraduate qualifications. I then posted links to the German mainstream media regarding scandals involving some politicians that were accused of plagiarising their PhD thesis.

Imagine if Alan Greenspan or Ben Bernanke were historians or lawyers instead of doctorates in economics. But then again they aren't politicians trying to win votes.

I came to the conclusion that all the skill of a politician now is devoted to getting elected and this means that they don't know what to do once they win power. They only know how to try deflecting the blame.

The problem is if you started to minimise the power that politicians had and give it out to specialists who had a better chance of making informed decisions, the mainstream media would run scare stories about the growth of unelected people who have power over us.

That's very interesting (your exercise in exchecquer qualifications). If I had more time I might perform a similar experiment vis a vis congressmen. I know my congressional rep has a degree in Home Economics. A class which I passed over taking as an elective in high school for Humanities (a study of the arts) this woman got a four year degree in from a Mississippi college. And so far as I've lived here, I've never seen her approach an election year with an opposing candidate giving her any reason to fear not being re-elected. Last election year, far as I can tell, she didn't even campaign. I think her continued election says much more about the voters here than it does her qualifications.
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10-04-2014, 06:54 AM
RE: Why aren't there any technocracies?
Isn't that what the public service is supposed to be? A group of experts hired for their expertise to advise the government of the day and to enact policy?

Give me your argument in the form of a published paper, and then we can start to talk.
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10-04-2014, 09:36 AM
RE: Why aren't there any technocracies?
(09-04-2014 05:22 PM)Mat0816 Wrote:  Who decides what an expert is?

Actually, a better question would be "Who decides what fine art is?" Big Grin

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