Why combating bad claims is important.
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24-11-2015, 05:32 AM
Why combating bad claims is important.
It is scary the amount of both slick snake oil peddlers, will incorporate words from science to debunk science, when really what they are doing is trying to convince themselves and or the uneducated that their false debunking means their god did it or their religion/even those of Asia, own a patent on the universal tool of scientific method. I highly recommend when you run into this tactic elsewhere point out the fact that people of a variety of religions do this. In my 14 years of online debate mainly Christians, but also Jews and Muslims and Hindus and Buddhists and even once a Rastafarian.

The Christian right especially, has been since Darwin handed their comic book it's ass, have being fighting scared like a cornered wounded cat. The Scopes Trial was not enough, the Dover ID trial also, not enough to put an end to their fallacious crap. And it does not help that we have Ben Carson, hypocritically answering evolution questions correctly in his science classes, only to shit on the very science that made his field possible.

Facts matter. Science must be defended. To not do so is a danger to the education to future generations. There is no splitting the baby. Yes, religious people can and do accept science and evolution, but science itself, is not a religion and is not there to prop up ANY religious club. Science isn't even there to prop up even any atheist woo either. I still ultimately boils down to, if you make a claim about science, fine, get it in a lab, collect your data, plug it into an experiment with control groups, and then have your findings peer reviewed.

Evolution is fact, but unfortunately yesterday I ran into a right wing Christian gun nut, and she had 87K followers on twitter. Now those numbers certainly don't tell you how many are actually active, or how many agree with her or how many simply attach themselves to her just to get attention. But that is just a tiny sample of one small deluded snake oil peddler. But this also is still not exclusive to Christianity. I doubt you could get the Taliban or Isis to say evolution is true either. Scientific method scares people of all religions, so when they realize they cant get rid of it, they attempt to co opt it to debunk parts or all of it to sell you their club.

It is important to defend because an educated society is a more stable society and no religion should be using it as a billboard for their own personal bias.

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24-11-2015, 05:49 AM
RE: Why combating bad claims is important.
So, what do you propose?

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24-11-2015, 06:26 AM
RE: Why combating bad claims is important.
(24-11-2015 05:49 AM)DLJ Wrote:  So, what do you propose?
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Join your local skeptics group?

Give me your argument in the form of a published paper, and then we can start to talk.
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24-11-2015, 06:47 AM
RE: Why combating bad claims is important.
(24-11-2015 05:49 AM)DLJ Wrote:  So, what do you propose?

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(SARCASM TO FOLLOW, I got this line from a highs school friend who poked fun of me when he thought I was taking things too seriously) Me, "Hey Mark, you wouldn't believe the crap I saw on the news last night".......Mark, "Well, you know what the solution is"........Me, "What?"..........Mark "Kill everyone and plant trees". The first time he said that to me, I had a "WTF?" Look on my face.

My solution in all seriousness. Simply foster the idea that we really are the same species first, stop pushing utopias, be willing to move on when your ideas have been debunked. Don't expect all 7 billion humans to always like you or only say nice things about you. You can allow for the bitching, but at the same time make non violence the priority.

Sagan's Pale Blue Dot is a good summery of my position. I simply use more blunt language.

Can my species do that more? Well the west has learned to be more civil, maybe not with the East, but again civility is local, but the idea of civility can be conveyed. Oh and by "civility" I don't mean never offending anyone. Civility is not being free from getting offended, civility is what you do when you get offended.

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24-11-2015, 07:35 AM
RE: Why combating bad claims is important.
Effective protest, like everything else, depends on the scenario!
Trying to debunk every single snake-oil-salesman would be a futile attempt, and honestly, would be giving them way more attention than they deserve.

Sometimes simply ignoring and laughing away things is much more effective than shouting with facts.

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24-11-2015, 10:01 AM
RE: Why combating bad claims is important.
(24-11-2015 06:47 AM)Brian37 Wrote:  ...
My solution ... Simply foster the idea
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Consider Any solution that starts with "simply" is but a dream.

(24-11-2015 06:47 AM)Brian37 Wrote:  ...
"Kill everyone and plant trees".
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Your friend makes a strong case.

Yes

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