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05-01-2014, 10:35 AM
Rainbow Why did God create Evil?
How can an all-powerful (and good) God can allow evil to exist? If God is good, how can he will evil? If he is not good, how is he God? This paradox has perplexed critical thinkers though the ages. For many, it has been a stumbling block to religion. Some believers choose to ignore the problem because of its apparent insolubility.

For the purposes of this discussion, think of God as the Creator. Clearly, the creation is a mix of good and evil. In life, there are joys and sorrows, love and anger. But God is considered to be all good in himself.

Many have said that evil exists, but is not promoted by God. For example, when a person commits a spiteful act, he is drawing evil to himself and God plays no part. Good, on the other hand, is promoted by God so that evil is attributable to the creature and good to God.

Why would an all-powerful God need to "promote" anything? Because people have free will and they can choose to draw near to or away from God. Why would God create people with free will? Because God created people in his own likeness, and God himself has free will.

Thus, one answer to the question, "Why did God create Evil?" begins to take shape. God created a world in which people could act freely- love freely, think freely, create feely. That is, God created a world in which his creation could act like he does. As much is put in the serpent's mouth when he tempts Eve: "For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." (Gen 3:5). In case you think this argument is blasphemous, consider Jesus' words in defense of the charges of blasphemy leveled against him by the Pharisees: "Jesus answered them, "Has it not been written in your Law, 'I SAID, YOU ARE GODS '?" (John 10:34).

Without evil, is there good? No, because the concepts are relative to each other. The presence of evil allows for the manifestation of good, that is, the manifestation of God.

But still, how can God be thought of as all-good given the existence of evil in his creation? Consider the sun. It is the source and sustainer of all life on earth. Because of the sun, people love and have children (without the sun, this could not happen). But also because of the sun, people murder and torture each other. And yet the sun is unquestionably good. God is like the sun, "He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous." (Mathew 5:45)

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05-01-2014, 10:44 AM
RE: Why did God create Evil?
OH, great -- more proselytizing spam. When it rains it fucking pours.

It's Special Pleadings all the way down!


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05-01-2014, 10:47 AM
RE: Why did God create Evil?
God allows evil in order to make a more complete revelation of himself.
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05-01-2014, 10:50 AM
RE: Why did God create Evil?
(05-01-2014 10:35 AM)ReligionDiscussion.com Wrote:  How can an all-powerful (and good) God can allow evil to exist?

Who?.....

We have enough youth. How about looking for the Fountain of Smart?
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05-01-2014, 11:17 AM
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(05-01-2014 10:47 AM)alpha male Wrote:  God allows evil in order to make a more complete revelation of himself.

So we can know just how evil "he" really is. Check. Rolleyes

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05-01-2014, 11:33 AM
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How can an all-powerful (and good) God can allow evil to exist? If God is good, how can he will evil? If he is not good, how is he God? This paradox has perplexed critical thinkers though the ages.

ReligionDiscussion - why start with the problem as a paradox already assuming a personal "good God" exists ?
This "good God" if existed produces horrific congenital defects & unimaginable cruelty eg torturing a child every 45 seconds to death with Malaria - EVERY DAY, plagues, Tsunamis and many "natural evils" which make this deity into an incompetent, cruel, barbaric designer. Off course you can divert blame onto the devil, original sin or "sins of the fathers" but these are just excuse making. The topic has been discussed on another thread about unintelligent god design on this forum.

Theists have come along over the centuries with many explanations for why there may be evil in the world - but with close analysis these all end up being poor excuses for theodicy - making up explanations with no evidence. (We can go through them one by one and refute each one if you like)

If you want to understand evil in the world it is better to study sociology and psychology.

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05-01-2014, 11:37 AM
RE: Why did God create Evil?
(05-01-2014 10:47 AM)alpha male Wrote:  God allows evil in order to make a more complete revelation of himself.

But could God have made a creation without evil?

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05-01-2014, 11:42 AM
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Epicurus said it best.

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05-01-2014, 11:42 AM
RE: Why did God create Evil?
(05-01-2014 11:33 AM)Baruch Wrote:  
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How can an all-powerful (and good) God can allow evil to exist? If God is good, how can he will evil? If he is not good, how is he God? This paradox has perplexed critical thinkers though the ages.

ReligionDiscussion - why start with the problem as a paradox already assuming a personal "good God" exists ?
This "good God" if existed produces horrific congenital defects & unimaginable cruelty eg torturing a child every 45 seconds to death with Malaria - EVERY DAY, plagues, Tsunamis and many "natural evils" which make this deity into an incompetent, cruel, barbaric designer. Off course you can divert blame onto the devil, original sin or "sins of the fathers" but these are just excuse making. The topic has been discussed on another thread about unintelligent god design on this forum.

Theists have come along over the centuries with many explanations for why there may be evil in the world - but with close analysis these all end up being poor excuses for theodicy - making up explanations with no evidence. (We can go through them one by one and refute each one if you like)

If you want to understand evil in the world it is better to study sociology and psychology.

What do you mean by a 'personal God'. That God is a person? Or that God has a personal relationship with me?

As to why anyone should start with the assumption of a 'good God'. How could you operate under the assumption of an evil Creator? It would be so discouraging.

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05-01-2014, 11:44 AM
RE: Why did God create Evil?
(05-01-2014 11:37 AM)ReligionDiscussion.com Wrote:  
(05-01-2014 10:47 AM)alpha male Wrote:  God allows evil in order to make a more complete revelation of himself.

But could God have made a creation without evil?

if he was God? yep.

But now I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.

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