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05-01-2014, 01:41 PM
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(05-01-2014 12:56 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  
(05-01-2014 10:35 AM)ReligionDiscussion.com Wrote:  Many have said that evil exists....


This idea of a reified "Evil" is absurd in the first place.


Is this lion "evil"?:

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Are the actions it has to take in order to survive "evil"?


If there were such a thing as a "creator" that is responsible for "creating" these creatures with no other option but to kill something in order to themselves survive (which is true for every living thing on this planet), then that "creator" would be the source and creator of all "evil".

But we still haven't established the existence of such a "creator" yet.

That Lion is good, but have you seen his uncle? That's an evil lion.

So I get confused since so many answer it differently. Does heaven not have free will, Or is there evil in heaven too because of it?

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05-01-2014, 01:43 PM (This post was last modified: 06-01-2014 06:19 AM by houseofcantor.)
RE: Why did God create Evil?
(05-01-2014 01:36 PM)WitchSabrina Wrote:  
(05-01-2014 01:21 PM)houseofcantor Wrote:  Are you Jewish? Angel


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05-01-2014, 02:58 PM
RE: Why did God create Evil?
(05-01-2014 11:42 AM)ReligionDiscussion.com Wrote:  What do you mean by a 'personal God'. That God is a person? Or that God has a personal relationship with me?

A "personal god" is a god that cares about you individually. One example of the opposite is deism. It posits a god that does not care about people, is not worried about worship, but serves as a purpose to explain where everything came from.


(05-01-2014 11:42 AM)ReligionDiscussion.com Wrote:  As to why anyone should start with the assumption of a 'good God'. How could you operate under the assumption of an evil Creator? It would be so discouraging.

That's an argument from adverse consequences. Just because it would be bad if something were true doesn't mean that it's not true. Believing in a good god because you want there to be a good god is simply wishful thinking.

Why do you operate under the assumption of a good creator other than your own desire for a good creator? Do you have any evidence this is actually the case?
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05-01-2014, 04:56 PM
RE: Why did God create Evil?
(05-01-2014 10:35 AM)ReligionDiscussion.com Wrote:  How can an all-powerful (and good) God can allow evil to exist? If God is good, how can he will evil? If he is not good, how is he God? This paradox has perplexed critical thinkers though the ages. For many, it has been a stumbling block to religion. Some believers choose to ignore the problem because of its apparent insolubility.

For the purposes of this discussion, think of God as the Creator. Clearly, the creation is a mix of good and evil. In life, there are joys and sorrows, love and anger. But God is considered to be all good in himself.

Many have said that evil exists, but is not promoted by God. For example, when a person commits a spiteful act, he is drawing evil to himself and God plays no part. Good, on the other hand, is promoted by God so that evil is attributable to the creature and good to God.

Why would an all-powerful God need to "promote" anything? Because people have free will and they can choose to draw near to or away from God. Why would God create people with free will? Because God created people in his own likeness, and God himself has free will.

Thus, one answer to the question, "Why did God create Evil?" begins to take shape. God created a world in which people could act freely- love freely, think freely, create feely. That is, God created a world in which his creation could act like he does. As much is put in the serpent's mouth when he tempts Eve: "For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." (Gen 3:5). In case you think this argument is blasphemous, consider Jesus' words in defense of the charges of blasphemy leveled against him by the Pharisees: "Jesus answered them, "Has it not been written in your Law, 'I SAID, YOU ARE GODS '?" (John 10:34).

Without evil, is there good? No, because the concepts are relative to each other. The presence of evil allows for the manifestation of good, that is, the manifestation of God.

But still, how can God be thought of as all-good given the existence of evil in his creation? Consider the sun. It is the source and sustainer of all life on earth. Because of the sun, people love and have children (without the sun, this could not happen). But also because of the sun, people murder and torture each other. And yet the sun is unquestionably good. God is like the sun, "He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous." (Mathew 5:45)

Source: http://religiondiscussion.com/t/why-did-...te-evil/24
Since you quoted Matthew (yes, that's how you spell it - when you actually read it, you tend to learn those things...), I'll have to assume you are a Christian and that's the god you are talking about. So you therefore believe in both the old and new testaments.

Your god promotes killing babies, slavery, mass murder, rape, incest, cannibalism, stoning people to death, and a host of other atrocities - not the least of which is the biggest one of all - hell, where people are tortured for eternity. Your god IS evil. Now explain that one. Drinking Beverage

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05-01-2014, 05:16 PM
RE: Why did God create Evil?
(05-01-2014 01:10 PM)houseofcantor Wrote:  tao is the essence of motion
god is the impetus of creation


And it always seems to come down to a canvas/pigment dichotomy. Undecided

Well said sir.

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05-01-2014, 05:20 PM
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Source: http://religiondiscussion.com/t/why-did-...te-evil/24


So, how was the OP not spam again...?

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05-01-2014, 05:30 PM
RE: Why did God create Evil?
(05-01-2014 10:35 AM)ReligionDiscussion.com Wrote:  How can an all-powerful (and good) God can allow evil to exist? If God is good, how can he will evil? If he is not good, how is he God? This paradox has perplexed critical thinkers though the ages.

I would contest this point has perplexed ZERO critical thinkers.

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05-01-2014, 06:58 PM
RE: Why did God create Evil?
(05-01-2014 10:35 AM)ReligionDiscussion.com Wrote:  How can an all-powerful (and good) God can allow evil to exist? If God is good, how can he will evil? If he is not good, how is he God? This paradox has perplexed critical thinkers though the ages.

This isn't a paradox. God could simply be not good.

Perhaps you're getting this from Epicurus' fourth position: "if he is neither able nor willing, why call him God?". The point here isn't that there couldn't be a god like this; it's just, who would care about such a being?

Note his second position: "if he is able but not willing, he is malevolent.". He could still be a god and be cruel.
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05-01-2014, 07:16 PM
RE: Why did God create Evil?
Romans 9 says he does it so he can get more glory in the end. It's all about Yahweh's glory,,at our expense. The first point in the Westminster catechism is that the purpose of life is to glorify god forever. Christianity is the most egomaniacal of religions.
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06-01-2014, 05:38 AM (This post was last modified: 06-01-2014 05:49 AM by DLJ.)
RE: Why did God create Evil?
Oooh! Oooh!

I've got loads to say on this subject...

(05-01-2014 10:35 AM)ReligionDiscussion.com Wrote:  ...
For the purposes of this discussion, think of God as the Creator.
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Damnit! Lost me already.

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