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13-02-2013, 02:03 PM
RE: Why did God make so many idiots?
(13-02-2013 02:00 PM)kim Wrote:  
(13-02-2013 01:38 PM)Zat Wrote:  ...I wish god made one less idiot!
You started it! You asked for idiots.... and we all came a running. Dodgy
I did, didn't I?

...and I was leading the pack! Weeping
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13-02-2013, 02:05 PM
RE: Why did God make so many idiots?
(13-02-2013 01:57 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
Quote:Race is not a construct of evolution or evolution theory. That whole 3/5 of a person thing was before ol' Darwin. Skin color is an adaptation to ones local environment, yes. But we are all the same species, we are not separate species nor different subspecies. Our understanding of evolution unites us. You remind me of this kid.
Survey says... bzzzzzz. Prejudice was there before Darwin. "Race" is an Evolutionary concept.

There are local variations in gene pools, but 'race' is a socially constructed concept. There is a continuum of variation among humans in skin color, eye shape, height, bone structure, etc.

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Quote:As for your assertion that I would let kids starve, you are building a nice straw-man there. Nothing I said comes close to what you are implying. Let me put my response this way, you feed as many as you can in an attempt to help as many as you can survive. The goal is survival, so if you don't have enough food to feed everyone and help everyone survive, then YOU FEED AS MANY AS YOU CAN AS MUCH AS YOU CAN TO HELP THEM SURVIVE.
Here's the straw man! Apart from compassionate man, where per Evolutionary theory is it a necessity to FEED AS MANY AS YOU CAN AS MUCH AS YOU CAN TO HELP THEM SURVIVE. Someone needs to watch more PBS...

You continue to spew nonsense about evolutionary theory.

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Quote:You're building another straw-man with the Valentine's day mumbo jumbo. Why is love being a chemical response about devaluing love or making it something less real? Even if it is a chemical response, it is real. My affection and contentedness and feelings for someone are real, they are chemical responses, and they mean something to me. It's not like I tell someone "My brain just released a bunch of endorphin and I feel blissful as a result of being around you." That might be what is happening, but the whole release and emotional response is love, so I say love. Why is that so bloody hard to see? And my bed at home is just fine.
I understand chemicals can feel good, but that is the first blush of what should be full-grown, non-teenage pimply, real love. Do you love your children? Your grandma? Is it the same rush of endorphins as with the Mrs? Get real. Defining love as a biochemical melange means any kind of melange is love. Paedophiles now feel "love" for those they rape. Yuck. No, they feel inappropriate lust. Y'all don't know what love and lust are and you want to "school" the Christians. Gosh! Gee willikers!

Even the Greeks knew that there were many kinds of 'love'. We use that word for a variety of emotions.

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13-02-2013, 02:05 PM
RE: Why did God make so many idiots?
(13-02-2013 01:36 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
Quote:People always jump to the Catholic Hitler and his final solution. Look, if Hitler had succeeded and had rid the world of all but the Aryan race, the Aryan race would have benefited due to a lack of competition, but would have been severely limited in its gene pool as a result of the loss of the majority of it (Africans in the central African areas have the highest genetic diversity). In over-simplified terms, it would have appeared as though Hitler's final solution would have been good, but would have been bad in the long run for the Aryan race. Furthermore, the notion of "races" is an arbitrary concept. We are all the same species, so Hitler's solution would have been counter to the survival of ALL humans.
No, race is not an arbitrary concept. It's rooted in Evolution, and it is disgusting. How much of the world's problems would be solved if "race" was not imposed on the world. Do you disagree?
Quote:Abortion is not a simple question. Is the fetus viable? Is the parent capable of taking care of a child? Go look at nature. Rats will eat their young if stressed and other animals will abandon their young if they are malnourished. Even humans will stop producing breast milk if the mother is malnourished. It is a survival response to preserve the life of the adult in order to have a chance at reproducing labor. You are trying to oversimplify abortion. Life's first tendency is to preserve life, that starts with the survival of the individual AND THEN extends to the survival of family.
So thanks, I have better context on your assertion. You do think we should let the children starve if we only have food for one?
Quote:Who said love and emotions were only felt at individual instances? Memories can invoke emotions and one can still feel emotions for someone that is no longer alive. Even someone who has fallen out of love with another person can remember instances when they loved them. I have a few exes I can do that with. Do I currently love them? No. Did I once? Yes.
I see. So you would tell your spouse tomorrow on the 14th, "Happy Valentine's... no wait, that's St. Valentinus, so Happy 14th of Feb... I don't love you anymore, because love is a mere emotion, but I can call with fondness when I used to love you..." Your bed must be warm at home, my friend.
I read this five minutes ago and I'm still laughing. Seriously, what the fuck are you on? Yeah I know I'm being disrespectful, but please, read your post again and tell me honestly - do you really expect me to respect that pile of horse shit?

1) Yes evolution resulted in three (as Vera pointed out to me) races of the human species. Why is this disgusting? I don't understand. What is so wrong with people having different genetic traits? o.0

I think you mean "How many of the worlds problems would be solved if we got rid of racism", because your question made no sense. Race is not "imposed" on the world, race means nothing other than some people look different to each other and have a some genetic variations. It's not like all the humans got together and said "fuck you Earth, we're going to evolve a bit differently from each other! Take that bitch!"

2) Stop oversimplifying things. We have evolved brains that are capable of making moral choices based on our own view of the world.

In purely evolutionary terms, it might be more advantageous to the species to let the children starve so that the mother can have more children later.

But the sense of morality humanity has developed means that we don't think in purely evolutionary terms anymore. A parent's love for their child will often (but not always) outweigh their sense of their own safety. That is also a result of the evolution you seem to despise so much.

3) Can you read? Seriously, I mean it. He very clearly said that he was talking about his ex-partners. Nobody said that love is something that only occurs in an individual instance, in fact that was his point.

Love is just an emotion, but emotions are a constant thing. We always feel some emotion about something, it is not a case of once you have loved someone for an instant you can never love them again, and no one has ever suggested that it is. You are making up shit now and it is beginning to annoy me.
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13-02-2013, 02:16 PM
RE: Why did God make so many idiots?
(13-02-2013 01:57 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
Quote:Race is not a construct of evolution or evolution theory. That whole 3/5 of a person thing was before ol' Darwin. Skin color is an adaptation to ones local environment, yes. But we are all the same species, we are not separate species nor different subspecies. Our understanding of evolution unites us. You remind me of this kid.
Survey says... bzzzzzz. Prejudice was there before Darwin. "Race" is an Evolutionary concept.
Quote:As for your assertion that I would let kids starve, you are building a nice straw-man there. Nothing I said comes close to what you are implying. Let me put my response this way, you feed as many as you can in an attempt to help as many as you can survive. The goal is survival, so if you don't have enough food to feed everyone and help everyone survive, then YOU FEED AS MANY AS YOU CAN AS MUCH AS YOU CAN TO HELP THEM SURVIVE.
Here's the straw man! Apart from compassionate man, where per Evolutionary theory is it a necessity to FEED AS MANY AS YOU CAN AS MUCH AS YOU CAN TO HELP THEM SURVIVE. Someone needs to watch more PBS...
Quote:You're building another straw-man with the Valentine's day mumbo jumbo. Why is love being a chemical response about devaluing love or making it something less real? Even if it is a chemical response, it is real. My affection and contentedness and feelings for someone are real, they are chemical responses, and they mean something to me. It's not like I tell someone "My brain just released a bunch of endorphin and I feel blissful as a result of being around you." That might be what is happening, but the whole release and emotional response is love, so I say love. Why is that so bloody hard to see? And my bed at home is just fine.
I understand chemicals can feel good, but that is the first blush of what should be full-grown, non-teenage pimply, real love. Do you love your children? Your grandma? Is it the same rush of endorphins as with the Mrs? Get real. Defining love as a biochemical melange means any kind of melange is love. Paedophiles now feel "love" for those they rape. Yuck. No, they feel inappropriate lust. Y'all don't know what love and lust are and you want to "school" the Christians. Gosh! Gee willikers!
You don't understand race or evolution it seems. And survival of our species IS an evolutionary concept. It is the concept of...survival. You obviously don't understand love either. Love is not compulsory, but that is what love would be if god demands you love him or burn in hell. You are the one confusing love with lust, sexual arousal, and physical attraction.

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13-02-2013, 02:28 PM
RE: Why did God make so many idiots?
(13-02-2013 01:57 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  ... Paedophiles now feel "love" for those they rape. Yuck. No, they feel inappropriate lust. Y'all don't know what love and lust are and you want to "school" the Christians. Gosh! Gee willikers!

No. Pedophiles do not feel anything for children they rape. Just as rapists do not feel anything for those they rape. Pedophiles and rapists use other human beings to satisfy an uncontrollable compulsion.

These crimes are not about sex. These crimes are not about lust. These crimes are essentially about usurping power from the victim to gain control... something which is lacking in the perpetrator.

Your lack of knowledge in evolution is nothing compared to your complete and utter ignorance about the abnormal psychology of human beings. I highly suggest you do not tread down this avenue again or I will have no choice but to contend that you are talking out of your ass.

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13-02-2013, 02:30 PM
RE: Why did God make so many idiots?
*WAITS*

(13-02-2013 07:42 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  Romans 1 and 2 describe this perfectly. There is no one who cannot "detect" God but there are people who can deny what they detect via their free will--their free will to suppress what they know/suspect.
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. Rom 1:18-19

This isn't talking about atheists... out of context much?

Paul is addressing the church in Rome about a specific group of people that had been causing problems.

This isn't all inclusive. Stop picking and choosing Bible verses to make it fit what you want it to say. The letter to the church had a subject... that which Paul was addressing... individual, specific problems to that church and region.

You can't assign verses that are talking about a specific group and say that it applies to everyone else. This is bending scripture to fit a preconceived notion.

Moreover, in Romans 9, Paul makes it very clear that we have no freewill. Likewise, in John, Jesus makes it clear that those that aren't of God can't know the things of God.

The verses you mentioned where about specific unbelievers who had had truth revealed to them by God's choice, but also by God's choice they rejected it in which God gave them over to their wickedness.

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13-02-2013, 02:33 PM
Re: Why did God make so many idiots?
Did KC just school Mr. Context about context?

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13-02-2013, 02:38 PM
RE: Why did God make so many idiots?
Quote:You don't understand race or evolution it seems. And survival of our species IS an evolutionary concept. It is the concept of...survival. You obviously don't understand love either. Love is not compulsory, but that is what love would be if god demands you love him or burn in hell. You are the one confusing love with lust, sexual arousal, and physical attraction.
Nay, I understand both. Watch!
Tell us all how the biochemical affection for, and attraction to, children for paedophiles, is different than yours or mine for our relative spouses. After all, most paedophiles in court express their sincere affection for the children they abuse. Tell us which chemical reactions are different. You can use parts of the brain, responses, respiration and heart rate, and types of chemicals and hormones... ready, set... go!
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13-02-2013, 02:48 PM
Re: Why did God make so many idiots?
Let's say all things being equal chemically is true. If we were animals without a social structure, would anyone deem such actions to be wrong? I have no idea, but it is a mute point as we understand and identify that what we consider pedophilia is wrong. It is a social construct to protect the young from harm. It does not mean that one or both can't expiernece it as love.

We recognize it has more potential for harm than good as those individuals that are not fully cognitively developed are not mature enough to make good decisions about their lives. That does not magically happen with age either. I know plenty of college kids who shouldn't be legally allowed to be considered adults.

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13-02-2013, 02:49 PM
RE: Why did God make so many idiots?
Wooo, strawman party!

Hey PJ, if children are starving to death in a certain part of the world and there's not enough food to keep them all alive, is your god loving? Is a dead child less offensive to you than an abortion?

If Jesus died for our sins, why is there still sin? If man was created from dust, why is there still dust? If Americans came from Europe, why are there still Europeans?
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