Why disbelievers believe? They believe in so called “God of the gaps”.
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24-08-2016, 01:06 AM
RE: Why disbelievers believe? They believe in so called “God of the gaps”.
(23-08-2016 11:05 PM)Reltzik Wrote:  
(23-08-2016 10:24 PM)Paleophyte Wrote:  Dear God of the Gaps,

Where's your faith-based space program? Seriously, we want some decent fireworks. Popcorn

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The Atheists

Don't you know? They're all ABOUT a faith-based way to get into the skies!

I know what you mean by this, but I still couldn't help picturing a TV commercial for a new faith-based aerospace company:

"Forget Boeing and their godless scientists. Come fly the new Angel 3000™, where we believe with all our hearts that the wings will work according to God's Will."

I'm sure their lines will fill up as fast as the Ark Encounter's did:

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24-08-2016, 02:31 PM
RE: Why disbelievers believe? They believe in so called “God of the gaps”.
(24-08-2016 01:06 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  
(23-08-2016 11:05 PM)Reltzik Wrote:  Don't you know? They're all ABOUT a faith-based way to get into the skies!

I know what you mean by this, but I still couldn't help picturing a TV commercial for a new faith-based aerospace company:

"Forget Boeing and their godless scientists. Come fly the new Angel 3000™, where we believe with all our hearts that the wings will work according to God's Will."

I'm sure their lines will fill up as fast as the Ark Encounter's did:

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No no, that's what we have Satellite Church for...at least if you ask the Babylon Bee, the Christian Onion. Wink
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BREMERTON, WA—Expectations and excitement were high, but the launch of Seattle Bible Church’s thirteenth satellite campus was scrubbed at the last minute Friday due to high wind conditions and a possible failure in its starboard booster rocket.

Pastor Tony Greenwood (PhD), who serves as a teaching elder as well as Head Propulsion Engineer at Seattle Bible’s Mission Control Center, made the final decision to pull the plug. “It was a last-minute judgment call on my part. While temperatures and cloud cover were within tolerance, wind speed relative to humidity was hovering around 30 knots, and I wasn’t about to risk the lives of our church planting cohort under questionable parameters. Plus, our projector and fog machine were on the fritz.”

An electrical box on the satellite church plant’s solid rocket booster was said to be unresponsive, but wasn’t expected to cause any issues. The satellite campus’s faulty coffee machine seemed to be more cause for concern among elders and deacons on duty at Mission Control.

Seattle Bible has tentatively rescheduled the launch of the satellite church for next month, pending optimal weather conditions.

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24-08-2016, 03:10 PM
RE: Why disbelievers believe? They believe in so called “God of the gaps”.
(23-08-2016 04:45 AM)theBorg Wrote:  "God of the gaps" is a term used to describe observations of theological perspectives in which gaps in scientific knowledge are taken to be evidence or proof of God's existence... how wrong it is to use God as a stop-gap for the incompleteness of our knowledge. (Wikipedia 2016).

Theorem: it is wiser to let the God in the ship's hold gap, until the secular science will find the secular stop-gap. Proof: "it is just obvious." More is here:

But while the "white spot" or the “gap” (the gap in the secular view of the world) is not closed by the secular science, let the gap be closed by the True God Himself. If is needed, the God will make the additional room for the secular science. But why to tear the God from all the white spots? Otherwise our society (like a ship) will sink in the "sin-deeds-sea" due to huge ugly holes in the knowledge!

In other words, if you don't know, just make something up.

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24-08-2016, 03:41 PM
RE: Why disbelievers believe? They believe in so called “God of the gaps”.
(24-08-2016 03:10 PM)true scotsman Wrote:  
(23-08-2016 04:45 AM)theBorg Wrote:  "God of the gaps" is a term used to describe observations of theological perspectives in which gaps in scientific knowledge are taken to be evidence or proof of God's existence... how wrong it is to use God as a stop-gap for the incompleteness of our knowledge. (Wikipedia 2016).

Theorem: it is wiser to let the God in the ship's hold gap, until the secular science will find the secular stop-gap. Proof: "it is just obvious." More is here:

But while the "white spot" or the “gap” (the gap in the secular view of the world) is not closed by the secular science, let the gap be closed by the True God Himself. If is needed, the God will make the additional room for the secular science. But why to tear the God from all the white spots? Otherwise our society (like a ship) will sink in the "sin-deeds-sea" due to huge ugly holes in the knowledge!

In other words, if you don't know, just make something up.

No! You're missing the point completely!

You're supposed to believe something that someone ELSE made up!

You don't get to be creative yourself.

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24-08-2016, 04:16 PM
RE: Why disbelievers believe? They believe in so called “God of the gaps”.
(23-08-2016 08:34 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  I.....I just read the OP. Can someone translate his gibberish for me? My Gibberish to English dictionary is unavailable.

I did. Page 3.

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24-08-2016, 04:26 PM
RE: Why disbelievers believe? They believe in so called “God of the gaps”.
HUH? What did he say? Is he furr it er again it?
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24-08-2016, 04:44 PM
RE: Why disbelievers believe? They believe in so called “God of the gaps”.
(24-08-2016 01:06 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  I know what you mean by this, but I still couldn't help picturing a TV commercial for a new faith-based aerospace company:

"Forget Boeing and their godless scientists. Come fly the new Angel 3000™, where we believe with all our hearts that the wings will work according to God's Will."

The ironic part being that they'd be absolutely right, what with "God's Will" being that firecrackers masquerading as spacecraft go Boom! Or at least that's what the experimental data suggests.

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24-08-2016, 08:09 PM
RE: Why disbelievers believe? They believe in so called “God of the gaps”.
(23-08-2016 04:45 AM)theBorg Wrote:  "God of the gaps" is a term used to describe observations of theological perspectives in which gaps in scientific knowledge are taken to be evidence or proof of God's existence... how wrong it is to use God as a stop-gap for the incompleteness of our knowledge. (Wikipedia 2016).

Theorem: it is wiser to let the God in the ship's hold gap, until the secular science will find the secular stop-gap. Proof: "it is just obvious." More is here:

But while the "white spot" or the “gap” (the gap in the secular view of the world) is not closed by the secular science, let the gap be closed by the True God Himself. If is needed, the God will make the additional room for the secular science. But why to tear the God from all the white spots? Otherwise our society (like a ship) will sink in the "sin-deeds-sea" due to huge ugly holes in the knowledge!
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24-08-2016, 09:06 PM
RE: Why disbelievers believe? They believe in so called “God of the gaps”.
(24-08-2016 08:09 PM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  
(23-08-2016 04:45 AM)theBorg Wrote:  "God of the gaps" is a term used to describe observations of theological perspectives in which gaps in scientific knowledge are taken to be evidence or proof of God's existence... how wrong it is to use God as a stop-gap for the incompleteness of our knowledge. (Wikipedia 2016).

Theorem: it is wiser to let the God in the ship's hold gap, until the secular science will find the secular stop-gap. Proof: "it is just obvious." More is here:

But while the "white spot" or the “gap” (the gap in the secular view of the world) is not closed by the secular science, let the gap be closed by the True God Himself. If is needed, the God will make the additional room for the secular science. But why to tear the God from all the white spots? Otherwise our society (like a ship) will sink in the "sin-deeds-sea" due to huge ugly holes in the knowledge!
Personal question for you OP: if you compete in, and come in last place, at the Dumbfuck Olympics are you the winner or the loser?Drinking Beverage

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24-08-2016, 09:13 PM
RE: Why disbelievers believe? They believe in so called “God of the gaps”.
(23-08-2016 09:04 AM)Reltzik Wrote:  
(23-08-2016 04:45 AM)theBorg Wrote:  "God of the gaps" is a term used to describe observations of theological perspectives in which gaps in scientific knowledge are taken to be evidence or proof of God's existence... how wrong it is to use God as a stop-gap for the incompleteness of our knowledge. (Wikipedia 2016).

Theorem: it is wiser to let the God in the ship's hold gap, until the secular science will find the secular stop-gap. Proof: "it is just obvious." More is here:

But while the "white spot" or the “gap” (the gap in the secular view of the world) is not closed by the secular science, let the gap be closed by the True God Himself. If is needed, the God will make the additional room for the secular science. But why to tear the God from all the white spots? Otherwise our society (like a ship) will sink in the "sin-deeds-sea" due to huge ugly holes in the knowledge!

.... well that was remarkably incoherent, even by Borg's usual standards. Which is.... almost impressive. Weeping

...

Let's take a one-time example: Cancer.

Once upon a time, people didn't know what caused cancer. So they said that God was doing it to punish people, or maybe angels and demons that were part of the Christian cosmology were involved. They argued over it quite a bit. Some of them thought that prayer would fix it, but the results of that never really showed much improvement in side-by-side comparisons with not-praying.

For as long as people thought that God (or some other supernatural element) caused cancer, they had no motivation to look for the actual answer.

Now we know. Cancer is caused by cells multiplying out of control. The cause of THAT varies with the type of cancer, but is usually the result of some form of radiation- or chemical-induced damage to the genome, or ticking time bombs in our genes.

The REASON we know this is that various researchers ignored the god-of-the-gaps nonsense and went looking for an actual answer. Which, shock of all shocks, was not God.

As a consequence, we have many treatments and even a few cures for cancer, as well as means of early detection, risk assessment, and preventative measures. While imperfect, these are often life-saving.

A couple other examples:

We stopped believing that weather was caused by God and started considering if it was the result of natural forces. By charting, mapping, and monitoring those forces, we can predict weather up to a few weeks in advance. This allows us to grow more food to feed more people, and also get people out of the way of hurricanes.

We stopped believing that the stars and the planets in the heavens moved by God's will, and instead started considering that they moved by natural forces. As a result we have a far more accurate and thorough model of the solar system and know pretty much exactly how it will behave. This has allowed us to put communication satellites in place, with a host of applications from coordinating life-saving search-and-rescue operations to letting you connect to our forum from halfway around the world to troll us. Also, it allows us to tell if a giant asteroid is heading towards Earth and gives us the means of diverting it.

I could go on. And on. And on. But the moral of all these stories is the same.

tl;dr: Abandoning god-of-the-gaps reasoning and looking for real answers SAVES LOTS AND LOTS OF LIVES. Sticking with god-of-the-gaps reasoning CONSIGNS COUNTLESS PEOPLE TO DEATH.
Ah oh... More people trying to claim that nature is somehow not a product of GOD.

Retarded assed doctors wanted to amputate my arm over a tumor all while insisting that it wasn't caused from trauma... Science is thankfully still in its youth. You did make a good point about people giving up on solutions to problems because they don't understand them though. That's sorta like fundamentalist or literalists not receiving medical attention because they believe God will intervene. Who's to say the competent doctor isn't God's intervention?

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