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09-08-2014, 11:51 AM
RE: Why do Brits want the death penalty?
(09-08-2014 11:35 AM)Res Publica Wrote:  
(09-08-2014 11:34 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  No he was literally asking if you absorbed the information that was presented to you about why you were horribly misinformed to the point of Not Even Wrong and thus have any shred of intellectual honesty.

Yes I realized that I was wrong about some things.

That's a good thing. I can see glimmers of intelligence and a good personality in your posts but you need to dial back the dogma a bit, oh and going godwin is generally to be avoided. Some of my closest friends are conservatives, I think their politics are stupid and short sighted but that doesn't mean they are bad people. So check your reactions a bit and you could remove the negative reputation you have gotten.

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09-08-2014, 11:55 AM
RE: Why do Brits want the death penalty?
(09-08-2014 11:51 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(09-08-2014 11:35 AM)Res Publica Wrote:  Yes I realized that I was wrong about some things.

That's a good thing. I can see glimmers of intelligence and a good personality in your posts but you need to dial back the dogma a bit, oh and going godwin is generally to be avoided. Some of my closest friends are conservatives, I think their politics are stupid and short sighted but that doesn't mean they are bad people. So check your reactions a bit and you could remove the negative reputation you have gotten.

I wouldn't consider myself a conservative, economically I am a socialist. I would consider myself radical right.

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09-08-2014, 11:56 AM (This post was last modified: 09-08-2014 12:09 PM by EvolutionKills.)
RE: Why do Brits want the death penalty?
(09-08-2014 11:07 AM)Res Publica Wrote:  
(09-08-2014 10:13 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  If 'growing up' by your standards requires the complete inability to handle nuance and deal with the world in anything but black and white dichotomies, I hope I never grow up; I happen to value my empathy. Drinking Beverage

Notice however that you still FAILED to use Anita to prove your point, and you assumed that I agreed with her; and since when did I say I read, supported, or agreed with CounterPunch? Guess what, not all 'independent' media is the same; some of it is liberal, some is conservative, some is moderate, some try for objective journalism, and others are dogmatic mouthpieces. Could you stawman any harder (it's a rhetorical question, I know you can do worse)? Also nice attempted Godwin there too. Way to go fucknuts...

Maybe when you mature you won't be antisemitic anymore.

Ever wonder why it is that anti-Zionists never say anything about black people facing genocide and being taken as slaves in Sudan? Why they never throw a fit about Japan trying to steal land from China (a country which Japan has committed genocide against). Why you will never hear a word about Saudi Arabia? Why they don't kick and scream about the DPRK? It is simple; these human rights abusers aren't Jews. Anti-Zionism is just antisemitism in disguise. If they really gave a damn about human rights Israel would be near the bottom of their list.


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Cry some more bitch. Everytime you throw out 'anti-semitic' as casually as a hypochondriac takes aspirin, you neuter it to meaninglessness with your petty self indulgence.


I am not an anti-Zionist, I am just someone looking at the conflict from outside without a dog in the fight (something you clearly cannot claim); and I see nobody blemish free here.


What makes you think, that if I was informed about other atrocities, that I wouldn't care about my fellow human beings? It's only possible to learn so much, to see so much, to do so much, to care so much; before a person is stretched too thin. It just so happen right now that Gaza is topical and at the top of the media pile. Not that I'd expect you to get that, as you consistently fail to grasp basic logic, so I'm not at all surprised by the complete non sequitur that is pointing out other atrocities that have no bearing on Israel's current actions. You want to talk about Saudi Arabia's terrible human rights record, be my guess jackass; but that does not excuse Israel from criticism for their actions.


But hey, when you can't make a valid point, try to obfuscate the issue with red herrings right!?


But no, you can't handle any criticism (much like a petulant toddler). Anything that even hints of being less than 100% unquestioning support for the policies of Israel you label as 'anti-semitic'; much the same flavor of bullshit being pushing by jingoist nativist here in the States. I'm sure that now, having seen President Obama condemn Hamas and express sympathy for the civilians in Gaza, you'll label him too as the next big anti-semitic boogeyman and the second coming of Hitler; and anything less than a complete condemnation by the media of his human empathy for the very real suffering of innocent people (but the wrong 'kind' of people in your eyes) will be interpreted by you as liberal-media bias. Pull your head out of your ass you blind ignorant fool.


True patriots question their country and it's policies, not just accept them blindly.


True friends raise questions when they are concerned about you.


I have empathy for both sides of the conflict, for the innocent civilians of Israel and Palestine. But you see that empathy, that concern for human life, as somehow 'wrong' because it happens to also include people not within your self identified bubble. I have empathy for my fellow human beings whether they be Americans, Palestinians, or Israelis; and I am being critical of Israel's policies now because I am worried about it's people as much as I am worried for the Palestinians. I see Israel's actions as being entirely counter-productive towards any type of peace settlement; I see a country in the throes of conservative hawks that inflate their own power through conflict and the lives of innocent civilians on both sides.


You are the problem.


People who think like you are precisely why Israel will never have lasting peace, short of the complete eradication of the Palestinian people. You would condemn your own people to a course of action to rival their own Holocaust, and in doing so you would lose the support of the entire world. You will not get unconditional surrender out of a people who have ZERO reason to surrender, the Israelis have made their position so untenable that they practically have nothing left to lose; and conversely Israel has done nothing to show that there is in fact anything to be gained by surrendering. You say they will have peace, but Israel has done nothing to show that they would honor that claim in good faith; and the Palestinians know this (given how Israel has repeatedly moved the goal-post during the peace process the last few years).


Remember again that even after 2 atomic bomb strikes, Japan still surrendered with conditions; and in the pursuit of peace, the United States negotiated with them.


Now I don't want that, continued war serves nobody but the war hawks. It wouldn't be good for the Palestinians, or the Israelis. But you've made it abundantly clear your hatred for the Palestinians, and your unquestioning support of Israel's policies. I have, and will continue to be, critical of the actions of the United Sates (my own country of birth); and I will not spare the Israelis or Palestinians from criticism because some racist old codger might wrongfully attempt to label me an 'anti-semite'.

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09-08-2014, 12:03 PM
RE: Why do Brits want the death penalty?
When you say "We aren't talking about those countries, we are talking about Israel.", is is really no different than when Lowell was asked about his quotas on Jews at Harvard. He was asked why such quotas should exist, and responded "Jews cheat". The interviewer reminded him that Christians cheat too. His response: "You're changing the subject. We are talking about Jews now."

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09-08-2014, 12:13 PM
RE: Why do Brits want the death penalty?
(09-08-2014 12:03 PM)Res Publica Wrote:  When you say "We aren't talking about those countries, we are talking about Israel.", is is really no different than when Lowell was asked about his quotas on Jews at Harvard. He was asked why such quotas should exist, and responded "Jews cheat". The interviewer reminded him that Christians cheat too. His response: "You're changing the subject. We are talking about Jews now."

Thanks for confirming that you are an unthinking shill entirely unable to internalize any criticism, or understand the basics of logic and reasoning. You continue to be a shining example of unquestioning dogmatism.

You can go over there now with Luminon and all of the other Jesus-Freaks and God-Apologists, and don't forget your Kool-Aid...

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09-08-2014, 12:15 PM
RE: Why do Brits want the death penalty?
(09-08-2014 12:13 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(09-08-2014 12:03 PM)Res Publica Wrote:  When you say "We aren't talking about those countries, we are talking about Israel.", is is really no different than when Lowell was asked about his quotas on Jews at Harvard. He was asked why such quotas should exist, and responded "Jews cheat". The interviewer reminded him that Christians cheat too. His response: "You're changing the subject. We are talking about Jews now."

Thanks for confirming that you are an unthinking shill entirely unable to internalize any criticism, or understand the basics of logic and reasoning. You continue to be a shining example of unthinking dogmatism.

You can go over there now with Luminon and all of the other Jesus-Freaks and God-Apologists.

So ad hominem?

I see I just won!Big Grin

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09-08-2014, 12:23 PM
RE: Why do Brits want the death penalty?
(09-08-2014 12:15 PM)Res Publica Wrote:  
(09-08-2014 12:13 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Thanks for confirming that you are an unthinking shill entirely unable to internalize any criticism, or understand the basics of logic and reasoning. You continue to be a shining example of unthinking dogmatism.

You can go over there now with Luminon and all of the other Jesus-Freaks and God-Apologists.

So ad hominem?

I see I just won!Big Grin


That was not an Ad Hominem fallacy.

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09-08-2014, 11:36 PM
RE: Why do Brits want the death penalty?
(09-08-2014 12:15 PM)Res Publica Wrote:  
(09-08-2014 12:13 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Thanks for confirming that you are an unthinking shill entirely unable to internalize any criticism, or understand the basics of logic and reasoning. You continue to be a shining example of unthinking dogmatism.

You can go over there now with Luminon and all of the other Jesus-Freaks and God-Apologists.

So ad hominem?

I see I just won!Big Grin

An ad hominem is when a personal attack is made in lieu of an argument, not in addition to. Thank you for failing once again dumbass.

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10-08-2014, 10:35 AM
RE: Why do Brits want the death penalty?
I dunno. Sick of looking at each other's teeth?
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10-08-2014, 10:38 AM
RE: Why do Brits want the death penalty?
Keeping people locked up for a lifetime costs shit loads of money.

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