Why do Christians trust YHWH?
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20-02-2014, 11:59 AM
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH?
(20-02-2014 11:50 AM)alpha male Wrote:  
(20-02-2014 11:24 AM)Simon Moon Wrote:  The only good thing about the deity that you worship, is that it doesn't exist.
If god doesn't exist, then all these things you hate come from the hearts of men. Don't see why that makes you feel any better. Consider

Alpha,
That's the whole point. These things do come from the heart of man. It makes it a whole lot easier, though, if a man can claim that "God" told him to do something and can convince the gullible to join him in committing atrocities. Taking God out of the equation makes it harder (but not impossible) to do the same.

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20-02-2014, 12:26 PM (This post was last modified: 20-02-2014 12:29 PM by IndianAtheist.)
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH?
(20-02-2014 11:58 AM)alpha male Wrote:  but he doesn't want to admit that he believes that one way or another it occurred, despite the absurdity of it.
When the FUCK DID i say that abiogenesis occurred? I simply don't fucking know! NO ONE KNOWS!

Miracles,Jesus walking on water = NOT Absurd
Life occurring from natural processes = ABSURD

I love your double standard.

Dreams/Hallucinations/delusions are not evidence
Wishful thinking is not evidence
Disproved statements&Illogical conclusions are not evidence
Logical fallacies&Unsubstantiated claims are not evidence
Vague prophecies is not evidence
Data that requires a certain belief is not evidence
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20-02-2014, 12:48 PM (This post was last modified: 20-02-2014 12:55 PM by rampant.a.i..)
Why do Christians trust YHWH?
(20-02-2014 11:58 AM)alpha male Wrote:  
(20-02-2014 10:37 AM)rampant.a.i. Wrote:  Whether or not the individual finds abiogenesis absurd, it neither invalidates the whole of science, nor validates your blind conjecture about the origin of life.
It goes to IA's statement, "in normal life we have faith in things based on assessments of actual evidence." IA admits that abiogenesis is just hypothesis not proven by evidence, but he doesn't want to admit that he believes that one way or another it occurred, despite the absurdity of it.

The veracity of Abiogenesis has no bearing on the veracity of your irrational system of belief.

If Abiogenesis were proven false tomorrow, it would not make your system of belief, or any of the other 1000's of beliefs in assorted Gods held worldwide, true. In fact, there is absolutely nothing you've provided that your personal God is in fact the Creator.

There is empirical evidence for scientific theories like evolution.

I have yet to see you provide any empirical evidence whatsoever, all you have done so far is parrot the same unsubstantiated assertions repeatedly, without responding to the challenge for evidence supporting your position.


(20-02-2014 11:55 AM)alpha male Wrote:  
(20-02-2014 10:30 AM)IndianAtheist Wrote:  What bullshit are you talking about? abiogenesis is a just a hypothesis which has yet to be proven and scientists don't assume anything until its proven unlike theists of course.
Wow, you're really a coward on this.

This from the intellectual coward still arguing against a position his opponent doesn't actually hold.

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20-02-2014, 01:00 PM
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH?
(20-02-2014 11:58 AM)alpha male Wrote:  It goes to IA's statement, "in normal life we have faith in things based on assessments of actual evidence." IA admits that abiogenesis is just hypothesis not proven by evidence, but he doesn't want to admit that he believes that one way or another it occurred, despite the absurdity of it.

All that is needed for abiogenesis to be (way) less absurd than your god, is to demonstrate that it is not impossible.

That has been done. Every step along the way has been shown to be possible. There is not a single step where scientists throw up their hands in frustration and claim, "can't explain this step, that must be the place where god stepped in". No magic is needed.

Scientists do not have to prove the exact way it occurred on earth for it to be the best explanation.
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20-02-2014, 01:17 PM
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH?
(20-02-2014 01:00 PM)Simon Moon Wrote:  All that is needed for abiogenesis to be (way) less absurd than your god, is to demonstrate that it is not impossible.

That has been done. Every step along the way has been shown to be possible. There is not a single step where scientists throw up their hands in frustration and claim, "can't explain this step, that must be the place where god stepped in". No magic is needed.
Uh, OK, let's see it.
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20-02-2014, 01:19 PM
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH?
(20-02-2014 11:59 AM)docskeptic Wrote:  Alpha,
That's the whole point. These things do come from the heart of man. It makes it a whole lot easier, though, if a man can claim that "God" told him to do something and can convince the gullible to join him in committing atrocities. Taking God out of the equation makes it harder (but not impossible) to do the same.
You discredit man's ingeneuity in killing his fellow man. Nationalism, racism, and other -isms substitute for religion just fine.
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20-02-2014, 01:25 PM
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH?
(20-02-2014 01:19 PM)alpha male Wrote:  
(20-02-2014 11:59 AM)docskeptic Wrote:  Alpha,
That's the whole point. These things do come from the heart of man. It makes it a whole lot easier, though, if a man can claim that "God" told him to do something and can convince the gullible to join him in committing atrocities. Taking God out of the equation makes it harder (but not impossible) to do the same.
You discredit man's ingeneuity in killing his fellow man. Nationalism, racism, and other -isms substitute for religion just fine.

Journalism? Cool

Check out my now-defunct atheism blog. It's just a blog, no ads, no revenue, no gods.
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20-02-2014, 01:27 PM
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH?
(20-02-2014 01:25 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  
(20-02-2014 01:19 PM)alpha male Wrote:  You discredit man's ingeneuity in killing his fellow man. Nationalism, racism, and other -isms substitute for religion just fine.

Journalism? Cool

Check.
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20-02-2014, 01:31 PM
RE: Why do Christians trust YHWH?
(20-02-2014 01:19 PM)alpha male Wrote:  
(20-02-2014 11:59 AM)docskeptic Wrote:  Alpha,
That's the whole point. These things do come from the heart of man. It makes it a whole lot easier, though, if a man can claim that "God" told him to do something and can convince the gullible to join him in committing atrocities. Taking God out of the equation makes it harder (but not impossible) to do the same.
You discredit man's ingeneuity in killing his fellow man. Nationalism, racism, and other -isms substitute for religion just fine.

Exactly. Let's work on removing theism from the list, shall we?
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20-02-2014, 01:46 PM
Why do Christians trust YHWH?
(20-02-2014 01:17 PM)alpha male Wrote:  
(20-02-2014 01:00 PM)Simon Moon Wrote:  All that is needed for abiogenesis to be (way) less absurd than your god, is to demonstrate that it is not impossible.

That has been done. Every step along the way has been shown to be possible. There is not a single step where scientists throw up their hands in frustration and claim, "can't explain this step, that must be the place where god stepped in". No magic is needed.
Uh, OK, let's see it.

You've presented zero evidence for your claims, and still demand evidence from others?

How cowardly.

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