Why do Creationists keep using the same old arguments?
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17-11-2015, 10:59 AM
RE: Why do Creationists keep using the same old arguments?
(17-11-2015 10:20 AM)Silly Deity Wrote:  Funnily enough it makes sense to hundreds of millions of xtians.....the majority in fact.

You are conflating xtianity with creationism. Just another thing you've got wrong.

What does it mean to be a Christian, and at the same time NOT being a Creationist?
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17-11-2015, 11:00 AM
RE: Why do Creationists keep using the same old arguments?
(17-11-2015 10:09 AM)epronovost Wrote:  @Call_of_the_Wild

Are you willing to let me honestly teach you about the foundation, structure, philosophical and cultural background of another religion than yours or is your response yet another attempt at waving off an issue and simultanously demonstrate your abyssal ignorance of even the very most basic elements of the second (soon to be first) and third largest religious group in the world?

You? Teach me? Hmph.
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17-11-2015, 11:03 AM
RE: Why do Creationists keep using the same old arguments?
(17-11-2015 09:35 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  Well too bad for you, because millions do. Even the majority of those who would call themselves Christians across the world are more likely to not be Creationist.

Please tell me what does it mean for a person to be a Christian, and not a Creationist at the same time.

(17-11-2015 09:35 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  So really, they're the more top fitting grouping and there is often discussion of "liberal Christianity" growing within Christianity over any defined denomination or creationist view.

So not only is Christianity dwindling in the world, the idea of creationist christianity is as well. Because people have come to realize putting a sense of authority into a ancient text or "personal" revelation is far less sensible and results oriented than putting it into observable phenomena and repeated self-checking not proclaiming absolute ideas.

As of 11-17-15, Christianity is the world's largest religion in terms of followers. Say what you want, but it is what it is Laugh out load
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17-11-2015, 11:12 AM
RE: Why do Creationists keep using the same old arguments?
Well the arguments were "designed" 6,000 - 10,000 years ago and haven't evolved much since then.
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17-11-2015, 11:17 AM
RE: Why do Creationists keep using the same old arguments?
(17-11-2015 10:59 AM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  
(17-11-2015 10:20 AM)Silly Deity Wrote:  Funnily enough it makes sense to hundreds of millions of xtians.....the majority in fact.

You are conflating xtianity with creationism. Just another thing you've got wrong.

What does it mean to be a Christian, and at the same time NOT being a Creationist?

"Creationist" is a loaded word, and is perhaps being used in different senses by different people here. Certainly anyone who calls himself a Christian in the common usage of the word must believe that the world was created by God, and in that sense, must be a "Creationist".

However, the common usage of "Creationist" refers to someone who believes that the creation account in Genesis is literal historic and scientific fact, and who rejects the theory of evolution. Many Christians (and almost all Catholics) fail to meet this definition. They believe in "theistic evolution" -- that God created the world, but used evolution as his method, and that the Genesis account is allegorical and/or schematic. There is no logical contradiction here (just a lack of evidence for the God part).
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17-11-2015, 11:33 AM
RE: Why do Creationists keep using the same old arguments?
(17-11-2015 11:00 AM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  
(17-11-2015 10:09 AM)epronovost Wrote:  @Call_of_the_Wild

Are you willing to let me honestly teach you about the foundation, structure, philosophical and cultural background of another religion than yours or is your response yet another attempt at waving off an issue and simultanously demonstrate your abyssal ignorance of even the very most basic elements of the second (soon to be first) and third largest religious group in the world?

You? Teach me? Hmph.

Considering you are incapable of citing the five pillars of Islam, their three sacred sites in order of importance and why, what their population is made off or the site of their eldest mosques without going to wikipedia for a quick search, I would say you are ignorant on that subject and would require a class. Considering that you don't know the name of the suprem deity of the Hindu pantheon, any of their mythic cycle or even the name of their eldest holy scripture. I would say you are ignorant of those people too. I am sorry to hurt you bubb, but you don't know anything on a lot of subject on which I know a lot. Since you can't prevent yourself from talking about subject on which you are ignorant, it wouldn't hurt you to sound less stupid on these pages from time to time.

You got an excellent knowledge of Christian scriptures and probably know a lot more about Christian theological schools then me, but you consistently display a very naïve if not downright caricatural knowledge of everything else. You should take the offer for more knowledge with more enthusiasme. Islam being at the center of a recent social and political uprising, you would be wise to learn more about them.

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17-11-2015, 11:40 AM (This post was last modified: 17-11-2015 12:58 PM by Chas.)
RE: Why do Creationists keep using the same old arguments?
(17-11-2015 10:58 AM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  
(17-11-2015 09:25 AM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  Fast forward to modern days, those infected with faith under the name of xtianity have spent lots of time going to ignorant, uneducated third world countries handing out a bowl of rice, or building a well while simultaneously giving them fictional books like bibles and setting up brain washing sessions where at the end of the lecture you get a bowl of soggy rice or a tshirt. Big surprise, people will do anything for a bowl of rice when they are starving. If the fat white man in the funny outfit wants the scrawny, ignorant, uneducated 3rd world citizen to "pray" and play along with his babbling about some super sky genie and they get a bowl of rice or a chicken leg thereafter then they are in for the win.

Genetic fallacy.

No, it is not. It is an explanation of the spread of the belief, not the truth value of the belief.

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17-11-2015, 11:41 AM
RE: Why do Creationists keep using the same old arguments?
Because they have nothing else.
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17-11-2015, 11:47 AM
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(17-11-2015 11:03 AM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  
(17-11-2015 09:35 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  Well too bad for you, because millions do. Even the majority of those who would call themselves Christians across the world are more likely to not be Creationist.

Please tell me what does it mean for a person to be a Christian, and not a Creationist at the same time.

(17-11-2015 09:35 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  So really, they're the more top fitting grouping and there is often discussion of "liberal Christianity" growing within Christianity over any defined denomination or creationist view.

So not only is Christianity dwindling in the world, the idea of creationist christianity is as well. Because people have come to realize putting a sense of authority into a ancient text or "personal" revelation is far less sensible and results oriented than putting it into observable phenomena and repeated self-checking not proclaiming absolute ideas.

As of 11-17-15, Christianity is the world's largest religion in terms of followers. Say what you want, but it is what it is Laugh out load

You really don't get people from different world views of your own? Is that what you are trying to say in multiple posts to people here?

A Christian who believes humanity is evolved from apes and further along other species before that is NOT a creationist. Those who still believe God created Jesus & there exists his "consciousness" and active actions as a God in history are still by nearly anyone's & their own standard, Christian.

They might believe in the big bang concept or any other concept of God perhaps creating/always having the universe exist. In whatever way they see fit, but they are the types of Christians that don't believe the "creationist" believe that God created species such as Humans as is out of dirt & that he created "kinds" of species that have always been that "kind' such as a human "kind" but that Human's didn't come from the Ape/Monkey/Primate "kind." (Kind is always an undefined term for most of this discussion because they want to resist the scientific established labels of Genuis/Species/Class/Kingdom so it can be loosely argued better. That's one of those same old tired arguments that would be talked about.) The creationist believe would also be more akin to seeing the world as 10,000-6,000 year range.

Creationist is merely a way of defining Biblical Literalist. Someone who takes what info they can find in the bible as the fact, especially in historical & in life origins.

While the Catholic's main accepted doctrine, that millions of Catholics that make up the majority group of Christianity, is not believing the picture of that way. They accept the longer origin timeline of the universe/earth and accept that evolution occurred and will take it that God created "original sin" even though Adam and Eve aren't literally the first man and woman who "fell"

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17-11-2015, 12:59 PM
RE: Why do Creationists keep using the same old arguments?
(17-11-2015 11:47 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  
(17-11-2015 11:03 AM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  Please tell me what does it mean for a person to be a Christian, and not a Creationist at the same time.


As of 11-17-15, Christianity is the world's largest religion in terms of followers. Say what you want, but it is what it is Laugh out load

You really don't get people from different world views of your own? Is that what you are trying to say in multiple posts to people here?

A Christian who believes humanity is evolved from apes and further along other species before that is NOT a creationist. Those who still believe God created Jesus & there exists his "consciousness" and active actions as a God in history are still by nearly anyone's & their own standard, Christian.

They might believe in the big bang concept or any other concept of God perhaps creating/always having the universe exist. In whatever way they see fit, but they are the types of Christians that don't believe the "creationist" believe that God created species such as Humans as is out of dirt & that he created "kinds" of species that have always been that "kind' such as a human "kind" but that Human's didn't come from the Ape/Monkey/Primate "kind." (Kind is always an undefined term for most of this discussion because they want to resist the scientific established labels of Genuis/Species/Class/Kingdom so it can be loosely argued better. That's one of those same old tired arguments that would be talked about.) The creationist believe would also be more akin to seeing the world as 10,000-6,000 year range.

Creationist is merely a way of defining Biblical Literalist. Someone who takes what info they can find in the bible as the fact, especially in historical & in life origins.

While the Catholic's main accepted doctrine, that millions of Catholics that make up the majority group of Christianity, is not believing the picture of that way. They accept the longer origin timeline of the universe/earth and accept that evolution occurred and will take it that God created "original sin" even though Adam and Eve aren't literally the first man and woman who "fell"

Yabut, those aren't True Chrisitans™. Dodgy

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