Why do Creationists keep using the same old arguments?
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09-11-2015, 12:20 PM
RE: Why do Creationists keep using the same old arguments?
(09-11-2015 12:08 PM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  
(09-11-2015 11:43 AM)Silly Deity Wrote:  Google is your friend. Look it up. Increasing levels of secularism across the globe.

Well, let me know when you can provide me any stats regarding the increasing secularism / daily conversion ratio.

Well, I don't think the data is parsed so finely as to produce daily conversion rates, but here in America, secularism and unaffiliated believers are on the rise:

Quote:The numbers of “nones” has grown to 56 million in recent years, making it the second largest number behind evangelicals. From 2007 to 2014, Americans describing themselves as as atheist, agnostic or of no particular faith grew from 16 percent to nearly 23 percent. This is roughly one out of four Americans. Pew found a rising tide of secularism in the United States. It is an interesting poll since religious groups tend to have far greater political power in the country as shown by various “faith-based” policies.



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09-11-2015, 11:28 PM
RE: Why do Creationists keep using the same old arguments?
(09-11-2015 10:26 AM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 06:06 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  ummm.... then they wouldn't be losing ground on every reasonable measure as they are. Your analogy reflects severe delusion.

Losing ground where? Christianity is still the worlds largest religion in terms of the number of followers. Laugh out load

Its market share is dropping; it is almost nil in Western Europe.

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09-11-2015, 11:48 PM (This post was last modified: 09-11-2015 11:54 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Why do Creationists keep using the same old arguments?
(09-11-2015 12:10 PM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  
(09-11-2015 11:49 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Thhere is no such thing as "Christianity". There are 30,000+ sects of that nonsence, and they all say they are correct, and they all hold different views.
I bet you too would say you are a "true Christian". Facepalm

A Christian is anyone that accepts Jesus as his/her personal Lord and Savior, and follow his teachings. Now sure, there may be "in house" disagreements amongst those that are believers, but we are all Christians, nevertheless.

It all falls under the Christian umbrella.

So YOU say. Many liberal Christians (whom you count in your unsupported generalization) would never agree with your BS. There is no "house" to be "in".
Many say those in the other camps are not going to heaven. Your lame attempt to say there is some sort of unity is complete bullshit, and you know it.

By the http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014way, in 2015, what does it actually mean to say someone is your "personal lord" ? What is a "lord" in American society, anyway ?

The fastest growing religious group are the "nones".
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014

You don't "follow" him anyway. Matthew 19:21
"Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
You haven't done that, and you never will. You don't REALLY 'follow" his teachings.

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
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10-11-2015, 03:18 AM
RE: Why do Creationists keep using the same old arguments?
(09-11-2015 12:08 PM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  
(09-11-2015 11:43 AM)Silly Deity Wrote:  Google is your friend. Look it up. Increasing levels of secularism across the globe.

Well, let me know when you can provide me any stats regarding the increasing secularism / daily conversion ratio.

I told you Google is your friend.

I very quickly found these:

http://www.pewforum.org/2012/10/09/nones-on-the-rise/

http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2012/1...pe-and-usa
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10-11-2015, 04:29 PM
RE: Why do Creationists keep using the same old arguments?
(09-11-2015 11:48 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  So YOU say. Many liberal Christians (whom you count in your unsupported generalization) would never agree with your BS.

The Bible is clear throughout the New Testament that Jesus is the way to eternal life and salvation comes through him alone. So on that note, it really doesn't matter what anyone says, whether "Christian" or otherwise.

(09-11-2015 11:48 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  There is no "house" to be "in".

Well, there is a "Kingdom of God" to be apart of...and I am apart of it.

(09-11-2015 11:48 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Many say those in the other camps are not going to heaven. Your lame attempt to say there is some sort of unity is complete bullshit, and you know it.

Under Christendom, we all acknowledge Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior...and if you can point out any sect that says otherwise, trust me, that is the minority. We are unified when it comes to "Christ for salvation". However, when it comes to other things like theistic evolution, literal hell, the Trinity, etc...we may agree/disagree on those issues.

We are not unified on every single thing, but we are unified in the fact that we recognize the existence of the Father, and salvation is through his son, Jesus Christ. Now I know for your unbelieving ass eyes, the mere sight of those words is an eye sore...but oh well.

(09-11-2015 11:48 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  By the http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014way, in 2015, what does it actually mean to say someone is your "personal lord" ? What is a "lord" in American society, anyway ?

I am less concerned about what it means in American society, and more focused on what it means in Biblical New Testament society.

(09-11-2015 11:48 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  The fastest growing religious group are the "nones".
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014

I didn't know atheism was a religion. News to me.

(09-11-2015 11:48 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  You don't "follow" him anyway. Matthew 19:21
"Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
You haven't done that, and you never will. You don't REALLY 'follow" his teachings.

Jesus didn't tell me that, he told the rich man that. I am not the rich man. The rich man isn't me.

Keep trying, Buck.
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10-11-2015, 04:32 PM
RE: Why do Creationists keep using the same old arguments?
(10-11-2015 03:18 AM)Silly Deity Wrote:  I told you Google is your friend.

I very quickly found these:

http://www.pewforum.org/2012/10/09/nones-on-the-rise/

http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2012/1...pe-and-usa

All that would mean is that there are more people doomed for destruction today than there were yesterday Cool.
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10-11-2015, 04:38 PM
RE: Why do Creationists keep using the same old arguments?
(10-11-2015 04:32 PM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  
(10-11-2015 03:18 AM)Silly Deity Wrote:  I told you Google is your friend.

I very quickly found these:

http://www.pewforum.org/2012/10/09/nones-on-the-rise/

http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2012/1...pe-and-usa

All that would mean is that there are more people doomed for destruction today than there were yesterday Cool.

Nah just means less stupid people.

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10-11-2015, 04:38 PM
RE: Why do Creationists keep using the same old arguments?
Well you are, too, if you're apart of it.

Unless you didn't realize you meant to say "a part" of it.

It's the difference between a theist and atheist.

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10-11-2015, 04:40 PM
RE: Why do Creationists keep using the same old arguments?
(10-11-2015 04:38 PM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  
(10-11-2015 04:32 PM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  All that would mean is that there are more people doomed for destruction today than there were yesterday Cool.

Nah just means less stupid people.

I don't think people have gotten brighter... but access to better information via the internet, despite all the Creationist webpages spreading misinformation, certainly has not been kind to religious zealots.

Their rhetoric might work fine in local settings, but not so much on people with a broader view of the world.

"Theology made no provision for evolution. The biblical authors had missed the most important revelation of all! Could it be that they were not really privy to the thoughts of God?" - E. O. Wilson
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10-11-2015, 05:02 PM
RE: Why do Creationists keep using the same old arguments?
(10-11-2015 04:32 PM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  
(10-11-2015 03:18 AM)Silly Deity Wrote:  I told you Google is your friend.

I very quickly found these:

http://www.pewforum.org/2012/10/09/nones-on-the-rise/

http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2012/1...pe-and-usa

All that would mean is that there are more people doomed for destruction today than there were yesterday Cool.

You asked for evidence, you got it.

I notice your lack of a substantive reply.
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