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17-01-2015, 04:58 PM
RE: Why do atheists become atheists?
(17-01-2015 04:58 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(17-01-2015 04:55 PM)Free Wrote:  I do know.

Evidence has been supplied. I cannot force anybody to understand why the evidence is in fact evidence. That is something you will need to learn on your own.

What you fail to understand is that the evidence is not proof.

What you fail to understand is that it is, in fact, proof. You don't understand how it is proof, and that's the problem you are having.

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17-01-2015, 05:00 PM
RE: Why do atheists become atheists?
(17-01-2015 04:58 PM)Free Wrote:  
(17-01-2015 04:58 PM)Chas Wrote:  What you fail to understand is that the evidence is not proof.

What you fail to understand is that it is, in fact, proof. You don't understand how it is proof, and that's the problem you are having.

Not my problem. You carry on believing you have a proof that you seem unable to present.

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17-01-2015, 05:19 PM
RE: Why do atheists become atheists?
(17-01-2015 05:00 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(17-01-2015 04:58 PM)Free Wrote:  What you fail to understand is that it is, in fact, proof. You don't understand how it is proof, and that's the problem you are having.

Not my problem. You carry on believing you have a proof that you seem unable to present.

Dude, it's been presented. It matters not in the slightest whether you like it or not, or whether or not you agree with it.

If you can't understand it, I can't help you.

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17-01-2015, 05:24 PM
RE: Why do atheists become atheists?
(17-01-2015 05:19 PM)Free Wrote:  
(17-01-2015 05:00 PM)Chas Wrote:  Not my problem. You carry on believing you have a proof that you seem unable to present.

Dude, it's been presented. It matters not in the slightest whether you like it or not, or whether or not you agree with it.

If you can't understand it, I can't help you.

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Show your proof that no deity could possibly have existed to initiate the Big Bang.

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17-01-2015, 05:31 PM
RE: Why do atheists become atheists?
(17-01-2015 05:24 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(17-01-2015 05:19 PM)Free Wrote:  Dude, it's been presented. It matters not in the slightest whether you like it or not, or whether or not you agree with it.

If you can't understand it, I can't help you.

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Show your proof that no deity could possibly have existed to initiate the Big Bang.

Now you are just making an annoyance of yourself.

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17-01-2015, 05:34 PM
RE: Why do atheists become atheists?
(17-01-2015 05:31 PM)Free Wrote:  
(17-01-2015 05:24 PM)Chas Wrote:  Show your proof that no deity could possibly have existed to initiate the Big Bang.

Now you are just making an annoyance of yourself.

Tsk tsk ...


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And you have failed to make your case.

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17-01-2015, 05:37 PM
RE: Why do atheists become atheists?
(17-01-2015 05:24 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(17-01-2015 05:19 PM)Free Wrote:  Dude, it's been presented. It matters not in the slightest whether you like it or not, or whether or not you agree with it.

If you can't understand it, I can't help you.

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Show your proof that no deity could possibly have existed to initiate the Big Bang.

Chas,

Even though this wasn't addressed to me, I can provide the proof you ask for.

1. If the objects of consciousness do not conform to the subject of consciousness then existence holds metaphysical primacy over consciousness.

2. If existence holds metaphysical primacy then it was not created by a god.

3. The objects of consciousness do not conform to the subject of consciousness.

Therefor, existence holds metaphysical primacy and the universe was not created by a god.

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17-01-2015, 06:15 PM
RE: Why do atheists become atheists?
(17-01-2015 05:37 PM)true scotsman Wrote:  
(17-01-2015 05:24 PM)Chas Wrote:  Show your proof that no deity could possibly have existed to initiate the Big Bang.

Chas,

Even though this wasn't addressed to me, I can provide the proof you ask for.

1. If the objects of consciousness do not conform to the subject of consciousness then existence holds metaphysical primacy over consciousness.

2. If existence holds metaphysical primacy then it was not created by a god.

3. The objects of consciousness do not conform to the subject of consciousness.

Therefor, existence holds metaphysical primacy and the universe was not created by a god.

That assumes there was no existence prior to the Big Bang; unproven assumption.

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17-01-2015, 06:23 PM (This post was last modified: 17-01-2015 07:03 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Why do atheists become atheists?
(17-01-2015 05:37 PM)true scotsman Wrote:  
(17-01-2015 05:24 PM)Chas Wrote:  Show your proof that no deity could possibly have existed to initiate the Big Bang.

Chas,

Even though this wasn't addressed to me, I can provide the proof you ask for.

1. If the objects of consciousness do not conform to the subject of consciousness then existence holds metaphysical primacy over consciousness.

2. If existence holds metaphysical primacy then it was not created by a god.

3. The objects of consciousness do not conform to the subject of consciousness.

Therefor, existence holds metaphysical primacy and the universe was not created by a god.

God iff Absurd. It's all Absurd. Ergo God. Checkmate existentialists. Tongue

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17-01-2015, 06:25 PM
RE: Why do atheists become atheists?
(17-01-2015 06:15 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(17-01-2015 05:37 PM)true scotsman Wrote:  Chas,

Even though this wasn't addressed to me, I can provide the proof you ask for.

1. If the objects of consciousness do not conform to the subject of consciousness then existence holds metaphysical primacy over consciousness.

2. If existence holds metaphysical primacy then it was not created by a god.

3. The objects of consciousness do not conform to the subject of consciousness.

Therefor, existence holds metaphysical primacy and the universe was not created by a god.

That assumes there was no existence prior to the Big Bang; unproven assumption.

No. I happen to believe there has always been something. That has nothing to do with my proof. My proof has to do specifically with the necessary relationship between existence and consciousness and shows that the idea of a god creating existence through an act of conscious will violates the primacy of existence and therefore is false.

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