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18-12-2012, 08:26 AM
RE: Why do capitalists attack striking workers?
(18-12-2012 08:22 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  
(18-12-2012 08:21 AM)Chas Wrote:  No, it's because you bring an agenda to every question, and pose them in such a way that they are "when did you stop beating your wife?" questions.

If you would like to actually discuss things, it would be refreshing.
you did it again.
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18-12-2012, 08:27 AM
RE: Why do capitalists attack striking workers?
(18-12-2012 08:26 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(18-12-2012 08:22 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  you did it again.
Nah, that was my exit line. Drinking Beverage
ahhh

Bit lame.
My exit line is "fuck you bitches!!" ..|. .|..

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18-12-2012, 08:31 AM
RE: Why do capitalists attack striking workers?
(18-12-2012 08:27 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  
(18-12-2012 08:26 AM)Chas Wrote:  Nah, that was my exit line. Drinking Beverage
ahhh

Bit lame.
My exit line is "fuck you bitches!!" ..|. .|..
Yeah, well, manners and all that. Drinking Beverage

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18-12-2012, 08:36 AM
RE: Why do capitalists attack striking workers?
(18-12-2012 08:31 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(18-12-2012 08:27 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  ahhh

Bit lame.
My exit line is "fuck you bitches!!" ..|. .|..

Yeah, well, manners and all that. Drinking Beverage
how about "Thanks bitches!" ,,|, ,|,, ?

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18-12-2012, 08:37 AM
RE: Why do capitalists attack striking workers?
(18-12-2012 08:36 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  
(18-12-2012 08:31 AM)Chas Wrote:  Yeah, well, manners and all that. Drinking Beverage
how about "Thanks bitches!" ,,|, ,|,, ?


Muuuuuch better. Thumbsup

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18-12-2012, 08:44 AM
RE: Why do capitalists attack striking workers?
(18-12-2012 08:37 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(18-12-2012 08:36 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  how about "Thanks bitches!" ,,|, ,|,, ?


Muuuuuch better. Thumbsup
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Anywho, shit to do.

Thanks bitches. ,,|, ,|,, (nah, it doesn't have the same ring to it, you can keep it Chas but I think I'm gonna stick to mine).

Fuck you bitches!! ,,|, ,|,,

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18-12-2012, 09:12 AM
RE: Why do capitalists attack striking workers?
(18-12-2012 08:17 AM)fstratzero Wrote:  
(18-12-2012 06:32 AM)I and I Wrote:  When capitalist countries utilize the government tools to enforce their power this is usually called things like "free market" "free choice" or as a few people on this forum jokingly called capitalist relations between worker and capitalist as "voluntary".

What happens before the "free choice" or before it's "voluntary"

When farming was the main occupation in England during the early 1700's the government under pressure from wealthy elites began to implement laws making it more difficult to even own a farm and support ones self, again here the initial act isn't voluntary at all, one group uses it's tools to force another group into a situation. The decades of implementing these laws led to many people not owning farms but needing to survive, this created a work force that was totally reliant on wages to survive. The point of forcing people into becoming wage workers is usually not talked about by capitalists, they usually start their "voluntary" historical revisionism after that point.

The historical revisionism of capitalists also forget much more recent uses of government apparatus by the capitalist class to enforce it's power of the working class. In many industrialized countries in the early 1900's personally hired police forces to break up strikes and protests, again you guys call the capitalist/worker relationship as purely voluntary. Ronald Reagan ordered workers back to work one time that were striking, again you guys call the capitalist/worker relationship as a purely voluntary one.

U.S. foreign policy of propping up dictators that are friendly to corporations and that use force to limit labor rights groups and union activities in other countries, again you guys call the capitalist/worker relationship as voluntary.

Here is a nice "voluntary" (wink wink) story of capitalist and worker relationship. http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/12/18/t...niversity/ In Kazakhstan the government like many other capitalist governments open fire and attack workers on the behalf of the corporations to force and control the labor force.

When society is structured like it is under a capitalist economic system how can one say that any aspect of capitalism is a free choice when it comes to the working class or how is the relationship between worker and capitalist voluntary?


That's one of the things I do not like about communism is the splitting that happens.

There are only two classes proletariat and bourgeoisie, and that just isn't how life works, it's a continuum between the two, not polar opposites only.

What is really needed is a law establishing that as a company grows, so to does it's responsibility to it's workers and society. Capitalism is missing a bill of societal rights, that restrains them.
The "splitting" of society into classes happens and has happened under capitalism and before capitalism. Capitalism is the only one to only have 2 classes, before capitalism there were more than two. The bourgeois revolution and the establishment of capitalism destroyed the other classes that existed under serfdom in order to gain power. Karl Marx didn't split society, he just pointed it out historically and how it pertains to the trajectory of the eventual elimination of a social structure that has classes.

A law restricting capitalists ability to exploit labor would go against what capitalism is.
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18-12-2012, 09:31 AM (This post was last modified: 18-12-2012 09:36 AM by fstratzero.)
RE: Why do capitalists attack striking workers?
(18-12-2012 09:12 AM)I and I Wrote:  
(18-12-2012 08:17 AM)fstratzero Wrote:  That's one of the things I do not like about communism is the splitting that happens.

There are only two classes proletariat and bourgeoisie, and that just isn't how life works, it's a continuum between the two, not polar opposites only.

What is really needed is a law establishing that as a company grows, so to does it's responsibility to it's workers and society. Capitalism is missing a bill of societal rights, that restrains them.
The "splitting" of society into classes happens and has happened under capitalism and before capitalism. Capitalism is the only one to only have 2 classes, before capitalism there were more than two. The bourgeois revolution and the establishment of capitalism destroyed the other classes that existed under serfdom in order to gain power. Karl Marx didn't split society, he just pointed it out historically and how it pertains to the trajectory of the eventual elimination of a social structure that has classes.

A law restricting capitalists ability to exploit labor would go against what capitalism is.

I lean more towards this form of government. Wherein the main goal is to balance individual freedom, with the freedoms of the society.

http://personal.ashland.edu/~jmoser1/enl...lbach2.htm

I am ethocratic, I support a ethocracy or a form of government in between socialism and capitalism similar to social democracy.

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18-12-2012, 09:47 AM
RE: Why do capitalists attack striking workers?
(18-12-2012 09:31 AM)fstratzero Wrote:  
(18-12-2012 09:12 AM)I and I Wrote:  The "splitting" of society into classes happens and has happened under capitalism and before capitalism. Capitalism is the only one to only have 2 classes, before capitalism there were more than two. The bourgeois revolution and the establishment of capitalism destroyed the other classes that existed under serfdom in order to gain power. Karl Marx didn't split society, he just pointed it out historically and how it pertains to the trajectory of the eventual elimination of a social structure that has classes.

A law restricting capitalists ability to exploit labor would go against what capitalism is.

I lean more towards this form of government. Wherein the main goal is to balance individual freedom, with the freedoms of the society.

http://personal.ashland.edu/~jmoser1/enl...lbach2.htm

I am ethocratic, I support a ethocracy or a form of government in between socialism and capitalism similar to social democracy.
Don't bother arguing with this guy. He thinks capitalism as a form of government. Drinking Beverage

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18-12-2012, 09:48 AM
RE: Why do capitalists attack striking workers?
(18-12-2012 09:47 AM)Logica Humano Wrote:  
(18-12-2012 09:31 AM)fstratzero Wrote:  I lean more towards this form of government. Wherein the main goal is to balance individual freedom, with the freedoms of the society.

http://personal.ashland.edu/~jmoser1/enl...lbach2.htm

I am ethocratic, I support a ethocracy or a form of government in between socialism and capitalism similar to social democracy.
Don't bother arguing with this guy. He thinks capitalism as a form of government. Drinking Beverage
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