Why do people insist on judging by appearance?
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10-07-2012, 10:14 AM
RE: Why do people insist on judging by appearance?
(10-07-2012 09:11 AM)bemore Wrote:  "I am judging that the person who is looking at me is judging me"

Explore this thought....... I imagine the answer and further personal understanding lie in it.


It's just the way the brain is wired.

If you go to look at real estate you might want to buy, your decision is made in the first 30 seconds, whether you know it or not, and it's based on the first impression.

When you visit a website, the same thing happens. Your eyes fly in a predictable pattern across the first page you see and the decision to stay or leave is made in seconds.

Same thing when you meet people.

Not saying you can't consciously over ride this initial response, but you have to have a conscious reason to do so. Like, "this house looks like crap, but I am going to completely redo it anyway, so I wonder if the bones are good and troublefree". Now you will overcome the initial judgement.

That applies to everything you do, everything you buy and everyone you meet. It's just how the brain works.

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10-07-2012, 11:48 AM
RE: Why do people insist on judging by appearance?
Because our minds evolved to make fast judgments. It takes effort to overcome the immediate.

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10-07-2012, 01:58 PM
RE: Why do people insist on judging by appearance?
(10-07-2012 06:32 AM)StatiK Wrote:  
(09-07-2012 04:13 PM)kim Wrote:  Maybe if the other human looked like or behaved like something we "feared" -or were taught to fear- but then, that would be a learned thing.
Sure it makes sense to do the same thing with human beings. A group of black men dressed like gangsters are staring at you and talking among themselves from across the street from you. A skeevy looking guy in a trenchcoat is following you down a dark street at night. An obviously agitated middle eastern man wearing Muslim garb sits next to you on an airplane while whispering to himself about Allah. A sex offender moves into the neighborhood and knocks on your door, as registered sex offenders are expected to do, explaining that he has spent time in jail for aggrivated sexual assault.

There are reasons that human beings avoid other human beings: It is logical.

All of that is learned. Not to mention generalizations of very specific, supposed subcultures. And you kind of just proved my point about "Maybe societal "difference" is instituted, in order to deter our natural curiosity about one another."

However, someone else's fear isn't going to keep me from being curious about my fellow human being, goddamnit!!
I don't know what gangsters wear although, I'd seen John Gotti and he wore extremely expensive suits; I don't actually know what the phrase skeevy looking might mean but Bogey wore a trench coat -everybody in NYC wears one-hell, I wear one; I'm sure the middle eastern guy is just as terrified of flying as the nun on the other side of me, mumbling and playing with her beads; and if the sex offender just got out of jail, I'd encourage him to keep his shit together and if he didn't have a job just yet, I'd give him $100 to do my yard work and clean out my gutters once a week.

I'm guessing if it's someone's choice to fear, they miss ... what... getting killed or evolving?

There is no doubt the basic fight or flight instinct is very split-second-immediate and comes at the crack of a twig, but fears are learned.... fight or flight is the choice we make after we fear.

I just want my yard work done and clean gutters... someone else can live in fear. Dodgy

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10-07-2012, 02:43 PM
RE: Why do people insist on judging by appearance?
(09-07-2012 04:13 PM)kim Wrote:  
(09-07-2012 03:18 PM)StatiK Wrote:  I would actually argue that judging based on appearance is part of a human being's fight or flight instinct. It's hard wired into our DNA and has helped us to make it to the top of the food chain.
... it helps us to survive our day-to-day lives.

I suppose I could agree when met with another species, but not when stumbling upon another human being. I don't think it would be all that hard wired into our DNA for us to avoid our own species... doesn't seem logical.

Maybe if the other human looked like or behaved like something we "feared" -or were taught to fear- but then, that would be a learned thing.

Attraction and/or repulsion seems to be quite subjective, and even one's own reaction to those things can be influenced by a variety of things all very subjective to the influence. Manipulation of influence can certainly thwart our natural curiosity when it comes to socializing with our fellow human beings.

I do think curiosity is hardwired and very much a part of human socialization. I'm personally curious about things and people which might be considered "different", possibly only because I want to figure out why there is even something considered a "difference".

Maybe societal "difference" is instituted, in order to deter our natural curiosity about one another. I think very much of what we call "difference" is a manipulation of the subjective and subjective influences. I can't speculate to what end... but "differences" certainly seem to separate us and cause us to judge one another, that's for sure.
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10-07-2012, 03:23 PM
RE: Why do people insist on judging by appearance?
(10-07-2012 02:43 PM)LabMonster13 Wrote:  
(09-07-2012 04:13 PM)kim Wrote:  I suppose I could agree when met with another species, but not when stumbling upon another human being. I don't think it would be all that hard wired into our DNA for us to avoid our own species... doesn't seem logical.

Maybe if the other human looked like or behaved like something we "feared" -or were taught to fear- but then, that would be a learned thing.

Attraction and/or repulsion seems to be quite subjective, and even one's own reaction to those things can be influenced by a variety of things all very subjective to the influence. Manipulation of influence can certainly thwart our natural curiosity when it comes to socializing with our fellow human beings.

I do think curiosity is hardwired and very much a part of human socialization. I'm personally curious about things and people which might be considered "different", possibly only because I want to figure out why there is even something considered a "difference".

Maybe societal "difference" is instituted, in order to deter our natural curiosity about one another. I think very much of what we call "difference" is a manipulation of the subjective and subjective influences. I can't speculate to what end... but "differences" certainly seem to separate us and cause us to judge one another, that's for sure.
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Capitalism, in particular, has a tendency to try and mould people into different categories in an exploitative way.
This can be seen in the adoration of sports and pop stars, well above more scientific creative and useful people.

The mega rich, in some cases, create various under classes to support their opulent and thoughtless lifestyles.
It can get very tricky with one system feeding off the next in quite a parasitic manner, with the bottom of the food chain feeding the lot by following mixed messages.
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10-07-2012, 04:34 PM
RE: Why do people insist on judging by appearance?
Ok this is for the people who watch
too much news and are afraid to stick their heads out the doors.
Judgments relative to the situations as far as threats are concerned.
I will say from personal experience that being in Detroit is much
more dangerous then being in L.A., why is this? It is because there
is a greater division in peoples general wealth for the most part.
There are certain aspects hardwired into are heads by our evolution,
this is true, but it is also true that we often can over come the
more primitive aspects of our personalities. For instance on security
bullshit, in new york the police have the stop and frisk policy for
poorer neighborhoods. So what did the police find with there new
bullshit law, that most people would rather smoke pot then carry a
gun.


The point is that if you think that
the whole world is out to get you and all the crap that you have been
force fed by the media is true, perhaps it is time to take a step
back and ask real questions. Like why do people steal or try and
cause people harm? First off we have poverty all over the world and
that puts people in very dangerous positions, also it is a completely
unnecessary problem in this day and age. No one should have to spend
their lives without being able to experience all the wonderful things
in this world. Second, religion, it really does poison everything,
all across the board including poverty. People when they are scared
and stressed tend to fall to superstition. People are kept being
afraid to do anything anymore, this is because they are getting a
constant barrage of news filled with stories that get ratings, mainly
violent crimes. This is because everyone is competing in a
destructive manner. There is a big difference between constructive
and destructive competition.


The truth is that people have been
conditioned to believing that the world is a terrible place and that
they can not do anything about it. That is a lie. Corporations like
predictable markets that they can sell crap too. The more afraid,
right wing, and religious the better meaning very predictable. Why
are there still wars going on right now? Because our military is just
there to waste money to keep the weapon and equipment manufactures
busy. People don't want to pay taxes, me I don't mind the taxes as
long as they are fair and the government doesn't waste it on defense
or the dea. I would be ecstatic if the money went to education, space
exploration, the arts, mental institutions, etc. (Mental institutions
that care for people and focus on helping them. Regan decided they
were a waste of money so he got rid of them and guess what happened?
Homeless people everywhere, these people should be taken care of not
shunned they should have a safe place to stay, eat, and learn.
Clothing and wash facilities.


Drugs should be legalized across the
board, (Just with marijuana and hemp alone and some rules against
corporations fucking things up to make a profit or save a penny. Pay
people the wages they make right now we would be having an economic
boom.) but people should be educated on there effects and discouraged
from the ones that can be highly addicting or cause health problems.
Minimum wage should be put back to where it should be meaning $25.00
an hour. Everyone is guaranteed a lawyer, why not a doctor? Why does
it matter what it costs if we could help everyone have a pleasant
time one this planet. There are lots of things people wouldn't mind
doing, as long as you treat them fairly. Farmers shouldn't be having
money troubles they should be able to enjoy there life styles and pay
people a decent wage. Unions are not a bad thing, they let people
have a say in the company. Without them you have no say. We have
grossly over payed our military and enforcement agencies. This money
could be spent better. Our education could be better. People deserve
vacation time and family wages for jobs. If you listen to progressive
and scientific ideas we could be living in a golden age for our
planet and we would help the planet without even needing a charity.
We are going to have enough challenges dealing with the climate being
fucked up then worrying about people that may or may not take
advantage of the situation.


The one percent to not get to rig the
rules so it benefits only them and they do not get to fuck up our
whole fucking planet just to make more money, because they believe
that their being born wealthy means they were chosen by their
imaginary friend and are better then everyone else. Why? Because they
were born rich. Our whole planet is fucked up because the people that
LOOK THE PART are in positions of “power” and our having a battle
like little children on the play ground of who's imaginary friend is
better than the other. So it is frustrating that people are not
waking up. I have been to a lot of places and the world and its
creatures are really amazing. It is a shame that many people will
never know it. A lot more people play video games now then ever
before and guess what? Violence has gone down. Restrictions and
worrying about what everyone else is doing needs to be leveled out.
The world can change and it starts by changing the dialogs and
perspectives.


To many people have been convinced to
not help anyone unless it outlandishly benefits themselves. Take
myself for instance, I am a good artist and story teller, I could
make movies and stories that would amaze terrify and spark wonder.
Unfortunately I do not have the money to pursue those dreams or share
my perspective with the world. It is so frustrating when an old lady
gets a half a million dollars for her being made fun of by kids, yet
people just want me to work for free. Its funny too I hear people in
the community complain that science isn't represented enough in
movies or tv and I am sitting on a ton of talent and skill to do that
just no money. Oh well, I am sure I am not the only one that has to
die because people are to stuck inside themselves.


Everything that is wrong in this world
could be fixed. They just need to act like humans again and work
together . . . doesn't matter no ones listening anyways . . .

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10-07-2012, 05:53 PM
RE: Why do people insist on judging by appearance?
What happened to quick? Tongue

(10-07-2012 04:34 PM)LabMonster13 Wrote:  It is so frustrating when an old lady
gets a half a million dollars for her being made fun of by kids, yet
people just want me to work for free.

This? Golden Rule. I'm a sola fides cat, myself.

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10-07-2012, 06:54 PM (This post was last modified: 10-07-2012 06:59 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Why do people insist on judging by appearance?
(10-07-2012 01:58 PM)kim Wrote:  I just want my yard work done and clean gutters... someone else can live in fear. Dodgy

You need GutterStuff!

(10-07-2012 04:34 PM)LabMonster13 Wrote:  Everything that is wrong in this world could be fixed. They just need to act like humans again and work together . . . doesn't matter no ones listening anyways . . .

They are acting like humans. They need to start acting more like elephants. Big Grin

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11-07-2012, 02:41 AM (This post was last modified: 11-07-2012 02:45 AM by Filox.)
RE: Why do people insist on judging by appearance?
Situation one:

A hippy with long hair, all stoned and with some "cool" shirt comes and starts talking about how pot is not dangerous, how it can be beneficial for your health and how alcohol and tobacco are much more dangerous... Also, he promotes differences in people and he talks about understanding and how we should not judge other people by their looks. People just look at him and walk away, without ever listening to a single word.

Situation two:

Some guy that looks like a Christian, short hair, nice long trousers and a clean shirt, wears glasses to look more intelligent, doctor like comes to the stage and starts talking about how pot is not dangerous, how it can be beneficial for your health and how alcohol and tobacco are much more dangerous... Also, he promotes differences in people and he talks about understanding and how we should not judge other people by their looks... He uses some Bible quotes and God in his speech. Many God-fearing people stop and listen to him, confused, but they still listen.

We can debate whatever we want and it is all true, but if you want to be heard, you need to swallow your pride and use basic human psychology to make them listen to you. It is what marketing means. It is how any add works, it is why marketing companies exploit human psychology.

The fact is that judging people by their looks is wrong, but the fact is that the majority of people will do just that and if you want to explain anything to them, you first need to make them listen, and to do that you need to fool them first.

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25-12-2012, 06:56 PM
RE: Why do people insist on judging by appearance?
It's human nature.

I judge underclass/nigger people.

We tend to get a weird vibe from certain persons, and this is how we are built lol....
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