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20-05-2014, 02:19 PM
Why do theists accept an evil act if something good happens from it ?
I've seen this so many times that it tends to boggle my mind.
I get the idea of looking for a silver lining when all around you is destroyed, but the idea that a god "planned" all this destruction just so little Timmy would survive and grow up to be a doctor who in turn saves 10 people before he himself is hit by a bus.

Fucking Nuts

Christians love a good story about death & destruction if one ounce of something good comes out of it.
It's as if they don't believe in a god, especially an all powerful one who could PREVENT all that death & destruction.

Mentally they rationalize it all with the words "That's god's plan"
Let me get this straight, you're OK with a plan that kills people by the millions if something good comes from it.

I prefer the plan in which millions aren't killed and good things still happen...Too much to ask ? especially from an all powerful god whom you say loves you, but yet shows this love by killing all your family members in a tornado. Oh but wait, most of your family is atheist and that baby wasn't baptized so ummmm, ya they get to be tortured for the next 100,000 billion years. Oh no, wait, my mistakes..........I meant to say FOR EVER.

PS. I love you

Damn fucking insane I tell ya.

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20-05-2014, 02:29 PM (This post was last modified: 20-05-2014 02:33 PM by morondog.)
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(20-05-2014 02:19 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  The damned fucking the insane

That's when an atheist is going out with a Christian Tongue

NB Rahn's quote edited. i.e. I deliberately misquoted him... so it's like, if there's a hell for people who quote shit, I'm going there...

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20-05-2014, 02:38 PM
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(20-05-2014 02:29 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(20-05-2014 02:19 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  The damned fucking the insane

That's when an atheist is going out with a Christian Tongue

NB Rahn's quote edited. i.e. I deliberately misquoted him... so it's like, if there's a hell for people who quote shit, I'm going there...

And I'm the first one to like this post. Smile
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(20-05-2014 02:19 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  100,000 billion years of fucking kills people by the millions and then Timmy is run over by a bus

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20-05-2014, 03:40 PM
RE: Why do theists accept an evil act if something good happens from it ?
(20-05-2014 02:19 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  I've seen this so many times that it tends to boggle my mind.
I get the idea of looking for a silver lining when all around you is destroyed, but the idea that a god "planned" all this destruction just so little Timmy would survive and grow up to be a doctor who in turn saves 10 people before he himself is hit by a bus.

It's because they're narrative is formed from working backwards from a baseless conclusion, and they've got to reconcile that with the observable reality of the really real world.

So, they start off assuming God is good and is powerful enough to intervene when he desires. Then, something "bad" happens. Now, the problem of evil/suffering rears its ugly head, and they've got some cognitive dissonance to resolve. Thus, the "bad" was actually good, but we're just to dumb to see it. Yay nonfalsifiability!

On a related note, you should read about the just world fallacy/hypothesis. Most people have this notion because of what they assume about God.
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20-05-2014, 04:15 PM (This post was last modified: 20-05-2014 05:41 PM by WindyCityJazz.)
RE: Why do theists accept an evil act if something good happens from it ?
(20-05-2014 02:19 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  I've seen this so many times that it tends to boggle my mind.
I get the idea of looking for a silver lining when all around you is destroyed, but the idea that a god "planned" all this destruction just so little Timmy would survive and grow up to be a doctor who in turn saves 10 people before he himself is hit by a bus.

Fucking Nuts

Christians love a good story about death & destruction if one ounce of something good comes out of it.
It's as if they don't believe in a god, especially an all powerful one who could PREVENT all that death & destruction.

Mentally they rationalize it all with the words "That's god's plan"
Let me get this straight, you're OK with a plan that kills people by the millions if something good comes from it.

I prefer the plan in which millions aren't killed and good things still happen...Too much to ask ? especially from an all powerful god whom you say loves you, but yet shows this love by killing all your family members in a tornado. Oh but wait, most of your family is atheist and that baby wasn't baptized so ummmm, ya they get to be tortured for the next 100,000 billion years. Oh no, wait, my mistakes..........I meant to say FOR EVER.

PS. I love you

Damn fucking insane I tell ya.

Because Christians will always twist something into what they want it to be to make themselves and their god look good, and anybody who doesn't follow their religion to look bad:

Christian has his house blown away by a tornado. Christian says: "I lived because God protected me, thank you God!"

Atheist has his house blown away by a tornado, but survives. Christian says: "Your house got blown away because God is punishing you for being an atheist!"

Of course, even when other Christians are the ones suffering from some tragedy, they still have no problem using that as an excuse to explain why their religious beliefs should be forced on others. Jerry Falwell used Hurricane Katrina for this purpose. He said "I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way - all of them who have tried to secularize America - I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen.'"

Yeah, Jerry. If that is the case, then how come almost all the people that died in the hurricane were CHRISTIANS you fucking moron?! If I recall correctly, Denmark has the highest percentage of atheists among it's population (I think it's over 80% of the country's population). Yet, God didn't send Hurricane Katrina to Denmark. He sent it to kill a bunch of people in the U.S. - a nation that, at the time, was over 90% Christian! Yeah, that makes a lot of fucking sense Jerry! If that's how your god works, then he's a fucking imbecile!

Then you have the whole "God's plan" bullshit. Another hypocritical bullshit explanation used by Christians: "Well, it just wasn't in God's plan, and he's the only one that knows his divine plan!" Well, for a bunch of people who claim that only their god knows his divine plan, they certainly love to speak for him whenever they fucking please! I always want to tell them "If only God knows his plan, then maybe you should stop saying 'God did this or that because blah, blah, blah..." and stop speaking for him and shut the fuck up!" One second it's "Nobody knows God's plan", the next second they're a fucking expert on what God is doing and why.

I don't know if it is even possible for Christians to be more hypocritical than they already are.

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20-05-2014, 04:41 PM
RE: Why do theists accept an evil act if something good happens from it ?
(20-05-2014 02:19 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  I've seen this so many times that it tends to boggle my mind.
I get the idea of looking for a silver lining when all around you is destroyed, but the idea that a god "planned" all this destruction just so little Timmy would survive and grow up to be a doctor who in turn saves 10 people before he himself is hit by a bus.

Fucking Nuts

Christians love a good story about death & destruction if one ounce of something good comes out of it.
It's as if they don't believe in a god, especially an all powerful one who could PREVENT all that death & destruction.

Mentally they rationalize it all with the words "That's god's plan"
Let me get this straight, you're OK with a plan that kills people by the millions if something good comes from it.

I prefer the plan in which millions aren't killed and good things still happen...Too much to ask ? especially from an all powerful god whom you say loves you, but yet shows this love by killing all your family members in a tornado. Oh but wait, most of your family is atheist and that baby wasn't baptized so ummmm, ya they get to be tortured for the next 100,000 billion years. Oh no, wait, my mistakes..........I meant to say FOR EVER.

PS. I love you

Damn fucking insane I tell ya.

Did you have some sort of argument that you wanted to present? Or a question?

If you do, and it is not something I have already addressed, I will address it.
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20-05-2014, 05:03 PM
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20-05-2014, 05:34 PM (This post was last modified: 20-05-2014 09:49 PM by Can_of_Beans.)
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(20-05-2014 02:38 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  Not only is Can of Beans incredibly good looking, he also displays an almost unbearable amount of wit, charm, intelligence and charisma.

Thank you. That's a very nice thing to say.

(20-05-2014 02:38 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  Misquote away

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21-05-2014, 10:37 AM
RE: Why do theists accept an evil act if something good happens from it ?
On of the saddest things I ever saw was a few years ago when a family somewhere in the US (details are a bit vague) were trapped in a house fire. Dad and one of his daughters escaped. Mum and the other daughter did not.

Dad's response..."Jesus saved us".

To be fair, the news item was heavily edited to keep it short and Dad probably expressed a myriad of emotions not reported on camera. So maybe it was more the result of the editing team than Dad. But we've all heard sentiments such as "He's gone to a better place".
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21-05-2014, 11:13 AM (This post was last modified: 21-05-2014 11:37 AM by Taqiyya Mockingbird.)
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(20-05-2014 04:41 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(20-05-2014 02:19 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  I've seen this so many times that it tends to boggle my mind.
I get the idea of looking for a silver lining when all around you is destroyed, but the idea that a god "planned" all this destruction just so little Timmy would survive and grow up to be a doctor who in turn saves 10 people before he himself is hit by a bus.

Fucking Nuts

Christians love a good story about death & destruction if one ounce of something good comes out of it.
It's as if they don't believe in a god, especially an all powerful one who could PREVENT all that death & destruction.

Mentally they rationalize it all with the words "That's god's plan"
Let me get this straight, you're OK with a plan that kills people by the millions if something good comes from it.

I prefer the plan in which millions aren't killed and good things still happen...Too much to ask ? especially from an all powerful god whom you say loves you, but yet shows this love by killing all your family members in a tornado. Oh but wait, most of your family is atheist and that baby wasn't baptized so ummmm, ya they get to be tortured for the next 100,000 billion years. Oh no, wait, my mistakes..........I meant to say FOR EVER.

PS. I love you

Damn fucking insane I tell ya.

Did you have some sort of argument that you wanted to present? Or a question?

If you do, and it is not something I have already addressed, I will address it.

Who the fuck asked you to try to derail every fucking thread into something about you and your disingenuous, evasive, trolling bullshit?

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