Why do theists come to this forum?
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13-02-2016, 07:39 AM
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RE: Why do theists come to this forum?
(13-02-2016 06:47 AM)unfogged Wrote:Regardless of what you think. Murder is not a command of the one creator GOD and never was. It is no law either. The ten commandments speak against killing. And that is the law given to Moses.(12-02-2016 08:28 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote: Sorry, it's probably hard to read and harder to comprehend. |
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13-02-2016, 07:42 AM
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RE: Why do theists come to this forum?
(13-02-2016 07:33 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:(12-02-2016 10:36 PM)xieulong Wrote: Why a new Covenant? Why a new way to understand it? Was the old way wrong or broken? This god guy wasn't very good at communication or something? All moot until someone give some actual evidence of his existence in the first place.Yes the Torah was misinterpreted in ways and God's people we're lead astray and leading others astray. Implying that you know the correct interpretation? ![]() How do you know that? Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims. Science is not a subject, but a method. ![]() |
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13-02-2016, 07:43 AM
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RE: Why do theists come to this forum?
(13-02-2016 07:39 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:(13-02-2016 06:47 AM)unfogged Wrote: Vacuous woo always isRegardless of what you think. Murder is not a command of the one creator GOD and never was. It is no law either. The ten commandments speak against killing. And that is the law given to Moses. Except for all the times he commanded killing, that is. ![]() Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims. Science is not a subject, but a method. ![]() |
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13-02-2016, 07:44 AM
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RE: Why do theists come to this forum?
(12-02-2016 08:42 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:(12-02-2016 08:11 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote: Ya mean, like killing those who aren't members of the tribe ? Those "truths" ?No, I don't mean those promoting physical death or sacrifice of anything or one other than self. Looking at it as if it amounts to any evidence of a godly entity doesn't do it justice at all either. If you're aware it's parables & riddles what makes you think any of that was not merely thought up by various men throughout their ages without any actual connection to god? How does one conclude this wordplay was at all inspired by something or speaks truly about something? "Allow there to be a spectrum in all that you see" - Neil Degrasse Tyson |
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13-02-2016, 07:52 AM
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RE: Why do theists come to this forum?
(13-02-2016 07:43 AM)Chas Wrote:Just because there are instances recorded in the Torah where men were called upon to kill others in a time of war doesn't mean it is or even was ever law.(13-02-2016 07:39 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote: Regardless of what you think. Murder is not a command of the one creator GOD and never was. It is no law either. The ten commandments speak against killing. And that is the law given to Moses. |
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13-02-2016, 07:55 AM
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RE: Why do theists come to this forum?
(13-02-2016 07:52 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:(13-02-2016 07:43 AM)Chas Wrote: Except for all the times he commanded killing, that is.Just because there are instances recorded in the Torah where men were called upon to kill others in a time of war doesn't mean it is or even was ever law. It wasn't just in war, nor were those wars just. Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims. Science is not a subject, but a method. ![]() |
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13-02-2016, 07:59 AM
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RE: Why do theists come to this forum?
(13-02-2016 07:44 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:I don't deny that it was written by separate men with different levels of Faith and direction of GOD. In fact none have ever been wholly righteous into God but the Christ. Saying that men devoted their lives to the cause of GOD just for shits and giggles doesn't make sense. Why would they have done such? Surely some were motivated by greed, personal want, and pride, but that doesn't mean that they were not also inspired by GOD. I know they weren't just making things up for a few reasons, the least of which isn't the fact that I too have witnessed GOD on some level and did not make it up. What benefit go I gain here by seeming crazy? None. What reward do I get, what praise, what help? Where is my motive?(12-02-2016 08:42 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote: No, I don't mean those promoting physical death or sacrifice of anything or one other than self. |
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13-02-2016, 08:00 AM
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RE: Why do theists come to this forum?
(13-02-2016 07:55 AM)Chas Wrote:War usually isn't just, but at that time may have been needed that people in general could survive, learn, and grow from their lessons and mistakes.(13-02-2016 07:52 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote: Just because there are instances recorded in the Torah where men were called upon to kill others in a time of war doesn't mean it is or even was ever law. |
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13-02-2016, 08:03 AM
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RE: Why do theists come to this forum?
(13-02-2016 07:35 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote: Still not part of the law of Moses What do you consider to be "the law of Moses"? The book of Deuteronomy is basically Moses reciting a long list of laws. The "10 commandments" (no matter which set you choose) is only a small part of the whole. Quote:and as far as I am concerned; a mis representation of the will of GOD. By what criteria do you establish what is and is not the will of god? Are you calling yourself a prophet now? (13-02-2016 07:39 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote: Regardless of what you think. Murder is not a command of the one creator GOD and never was. It is no law either. The ten commandments speak against killing. And that is the law given to Moses. The commandment commonly translated as "thou shalt not kill" is probably better translated as "thou shalt not murder", especially since one of the first acts ordered by Moses after receiving one of the sets of 10 was to kill thousands of Hebrews for creating the golden calf. The rest of the law expounded by Moses contains numerous conditions under which people are to be killed. You do realize that there are over 600 laws passed on by Moses to the Hebrews, right? There are a few decent ones and a lot that are barbaric. Killing in the name of god is commanded throughout the old testament. This is the problem with you claims that scriptures attest to a unified message. They don't unless you cherry-pick the parts you like and ignore the bits that conflict with the message you want to find. It's a confused, conflicted mess and that is exactly what we'd expect from an anthology of myths and legends written and revised over centuries by different groups with different agendas. It is not what we'd expect to find in something inspired by a transcendent intelligence. Atheism: it's not just for communists any more! America July 4 1776 - November 8 2016 RIP |
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13-02-2016, 08:04 AM
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RE: Why do theists come to this forum?
(13-02-2016 07:35 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:(12-02-2016 10:51 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote: You are cherry picking. No one ever said anything about a "law". Nice try, pop. You fail again. Your god ordered the killing of many Innocent people.Still not part of the law of Moses and as far as I am concerned; a mis representation of the will of GOD. So, you don't really believe in the bible then. The BIBLE says god told them to do that. Either you cherry-pick your bible verses, or you don't. Insufferable know-it-all. ![]() |
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