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21-03-2015, 09:37 AM
RE: Why do theists need God?
(21-03-2015 09:25 AM)NoSkyDaddy Wrote:  
(21-03-2015 08:56 AM)dimaniac Wrote:  Common sense. Before Einstein nobody knew that maximum speed is limited by speed of light.

Prior to this discovery, common sense told us
Sorry I was talking about using common sense after Einstein. There is possibly undiscovered law of physics that limits how long Universe can last. And there is no evidence that such limit doesn't exist or that this limit is billions of years.
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21-03-2015, 09:40 AM
RE: Why do theists need God?
(21-03-2015 09:32 AM)unfogged Wrote:  Many of us prefer to deal with reality.
If everybody would prefer to "deal with reality" America would never be discovered.
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21-03-2015, 12:48 PM (This post was last modified: 21-03-2015 12:54 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Why do theists need God?
(21-03-2015 09:40 AM)dimaniac Wrote:  
(21-03-2015 09:32 AM)unfogged Wrote:  Many of us prefer to deal with reality.
If everybody would prefer to "deal with reality" America would never be discovered.

The only reality for the Paleo-Indians who crossed the Bering Strait on an ice bridge and first settled North America some 15,000 years ago was following their food source. So they were in fact "deaing with reality". You're not only morose, you're stupid to boot.




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21-03-2015, 12:54 PM
RE: Why do theists need God?
(21-03-2015 12:48 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  So they were in fact "deaing with reality".
Are you sure there were no shamans among them?
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21-03-2015, 01:12 PM
RE: Why do theists need God?
(21-03-2015 08:37 AM)dimaniac Wrote:  
(21-03-2015 08:33 AM)true scotsman Wrote:  For now, all the evidence says that it will not end tomorrow or even in a hundred years but billions.
There is no such evidence. Universe expanded very fast in the begining and can collapse very fast at any moment.

Show the math that supports that.

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21-03-2015, 01:13 PM
RE: Why do theists need God?
(21-03-2015 08:55 AM)dimaniac Wrote:  
(21-03-2015 08:48 AM)NoSkyDaddy Wrote:  Back that assertion up with some testable data
I can give you example from investing. Before 2007 house prices in america have never go down.
Absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absence.

You are wrong. They went down in the early 90's. It's called a recession.

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21-03-2015, 01:17 PM (This post was last modified: 21-03-2015 01:30 PM by dimaniac.)
RE: Why do theists need God?
nominal prices didn't go down
http://www.jparsons.net/housingbubble/
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21-03-2015, 01:41 PM
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(21-03-2015 01:12 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(21-03-2015 08:37 AM)dimaniac Wrote:  There is no such evidence. Universe expanded very fast in the begining and can collapse very fast at any moment.

Show the math that supports that.

I remember the LHC kerfuffle, talking about the possibility of that thing spinning up mini-black holes and devouring the earth - something on the order of 10^-12 being generous to the doomsayers; and after researching further finding that beyond black holes, there was an extreme possibility that revealing the Higgs could cause the universe to "spontaneously forget the mass-boson association" - and unzip the works. And who says it has to be us dicking around with things we don't quite understand, it could be Vulcan, with the same resultant.

Since I ain't dimaniac, I ain't gonna show shit (I'd hafta re-research), but I am gonna say the math is out there. Big Grin

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21-03-2015, 01:46 PM
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(21-03-2015 01:41 PM)houseofcantor Wrote:  Since I ain't dimaniac, I ain't gonna show shit (I'd hafta re-research), but I am gonna say the math is out there. Big Grin

Yabut, it's in crayon.

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21-03-2015, 01:50 PM
RE: Why do theists need God?
(21-03-2015 01:46 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(21-03-2015 01:41 PM)houseofcantor Wrote:  Since I ain't dimaniac, I ain't gonna show shit (I'd hafta re-research), but I am gonna say the math is out there. Big Grin

Yabut, it's in crayon.

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