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21-03-2015, 01:50 PM
RE: Why do theists need God?
(21-03-2015 01:46 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(21-03-2015 01:41 PM)houseofcantor Wrote:  Since I ain't dimaniac, I ain't gonna show shit (I'd hafta re-research), but I am gonna say the math is out there. Big Grin

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21-03-2015, 02:00 PM
RE: Why do theists need God?
(21-03-2015 01:50 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(21-03-2015 01:46 PM)Chas Wrote:  Yabut, it's in crayon.

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21-03-2015, 02:10 PM
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(21-03-2015 01:46 PM)Chas Wrote:  Yabut, it's in crayon.

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21-03-2015, 02:12 PM
RE: Why do theists need God?
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(21-03-2015 01:50 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  SRDANOVA MATHEMATICS - Revision of the current mathematics

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21-03-2015, 02:18 PM
RE: Why do theists need God?
(21-03-2015 07:49 AM)dimaniac Wrote:  You have scientific proof that Universe won't end tomorrow? Where's your skepticism?

Science does not "prove" stuff. Science only disproves stuff.

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22-03-2015, 09:01 AM
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24-03-2015, 08:29 AM
RE: Why do theists need God?
As the universe ages its energy will be consumed and it will cool down to near absolute zero. As it cools the forces holding the molecules together will weaken and cause them to separate into their component atoms. The same will hold true for the atoms and they will also separate into their component parts. Long before this all happens life will cease to exist, there will be no more life, not one smidgeon of evidence that it ever existed, and no memory of it. Life will be just as though it had never been.
The universe began its course without our assistance long before life evolved, now that we are here it's continuing on precisely the same course it would have if we hadn't arrived, and it will continue on the same course after we are gone. We contribute nothing to the universe we can do nothing to change its course we are helpless bystanders. Imagine there was a parallel universe, the only difference being that biological evolution never took place. That universe would end precisely the same way as this one. This makes us totally irrelevant to our universe.
Suppose that another universe existed prior to this one and has already wound down. It simply doesn't matter whether or not life evolved in that universe. If it did evolve it simply doesn't matter what level of intelligence it reached. It simply doesn't matter the length of its existance. This is the big picture it allows for the existance of other life in the universe or the possibility that human beings migrated from our solar system to another part of theuniverse.
Our existance in the universe could cease long before this if life only exists in our solar system. Long before the sun consumes most of its fuel in 4 to 5 billion years and expands to the size of the earth's orbit life will no longer exist. This is the medium picture It could end even sooner than this by war, famine, disease, climate change an asteroid striking earth, or something else. This is the small picture.Our existance is totally irrelevant and unimportant to the existance of the universe.
We consist of a miniscule number of atoms compared to the number of atoms in the universe, we live in a miniscule amount of space in a universe more than 20 billion light years accross, and we exist for a miniscule amount of time in a universe 15.7 billion years young. The same is true of each of those pesky mosquitos I swatted this summer. We are totally insignificant in the universe. To think that just because our atoms are arranged a little differently that we are more valueable than mosquitos is just silly elitism. When I look up the word meaningless in the Thesaurus both words, unimportant and insigficant appear as synonyms
Atheists only concentrate on the small picture. This is like focusng on just one tree and then not eing able to see the vast forest around it or like the blind men and the elephant.This gives them a distorted sense of reality causing them to say thingsd like if nothiing matters then everything matters this is obviously contradictory because if nothing matters then nothing matters. Some say that life itself is meaningless but that they create their own meaning. This is a contradiction and a fantasy. They are doing exactly what they accuse religious people of doing. Some atheists say that passing their genes on to the next generation is what gives life meaning but that can only last until the final generation. Some say the value of life is the legacy we leave behind. There is no legacy.
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24-03-2015, 01:33 PM
RE: Why do theists need God?
(24-03-2015 08:29 AM)David Kragt Wrote:  As the universe ages its energy will be consumed and it will cool down to near absolute zero. As it cools the forces holding the molecules together will weaken and cause them to separate into their component atoms. The same will hold true for the atoms and they will also separate into their component parts. Long before this all happens life will cease to exist, there will be no more life, not one smidgeon of evidence that it ever existed, and no memory of it. Life will be just as though it had never been.
The universe began its course without our assistance long before life evolved, now that we are here it's continuing on precisely the same course it would have if we hadn't arrived, and it will continue on the same course after we are gone. We contribute nothing to the universe we can do nothing to change its course we are helpless bystanders. Imagine there was a parallel universe, the only difference being that biological evolution never took place. That universe would end precisely the same way as this one. This makes us totally irrelevant to our universe.
Suppose that another universe existed prior to this one and has already wound down. It simply doesn't matter whether or not life evolved in that universe. If it did evolve it simply doesn't matter what level of intelligence it reached. It simply doesn't matter the length of its existance. This is the big picture it allows for the existance of other life in the universe or the possibility that human beings migrated from our solar system to another part of theuniverse.
Our existance in the universe could cease long before this if life only exists in our solar system. Long before the sun consumes most of its fuel in 4 to 5 billion years and expands to the size of the earth's orbit life will no longer exist. This is the medium picture It could end even sooner than this by war, famine, disease, climate change an asteroid striking earth, or something else. This is the small picture.Our existance is totally irrelevant and unimportant to the existance of the universe.
We consist of a miniscule number of atoms compared to the number of atoms in the universe, we live in a miniscule amount of space in a universe more than 20 billion light years accross, and we exist for a miniscule amount of time in a universe 15.7 billion years young. The same is true of each of those pesky mosquitos I swatted this summer. We are totally insignificant in the universe. To think that just because our atoms are arranged a little differently that we are more valueable than mosquitos is just silly elitism. When I look up the word meaningless in the Thesaurus both words, unimportant and insigficant appear as synonyms
Atheists only concentrate on the small picture. This is like focusng on just one tree and then not eing able to see the vast forest around it or like the blind men and the elephant.This gives them a distorted sense of reality causing them to say thingsd like if nothiing matters then everything matters this is obviously contradictory because if nothing matters then nothing matters. Some say that life itself is meaningless but that they create their own meaning. This is a contradiction and a fantasy. They are doing exactly what they accuse religious people of doing. Some atheists say that passing their genes on to the next generation is what gives life meaning but that can only last until the final generation. Some say the value of life is the legacy we leave behind. There is no legacy.

Hmm... seems like I read this somewhere before. Consider

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24-03-2015, 01:37 PM
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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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24-03-2015, 01:55 PM
RE: Why do theists need God?
(24-03-2015 08:29 AM)David Kragt Wrote:  As the universe ages its energy will be consumed

No, it won't: First Law of Thermodynamics.

Quote:and it will cool down to near absolute zero.

Assuming the universe continues to expand, matter and energy will become more diffuse.

Quote:As it cools the forces holding the molecules together will weaken and cause them to separate into their component atoms.

No. The forces will not weaken.

Quote:The same will hold true for the atoms and they will also separate into their component parts.

No. The forces will not weaken.

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Atheists only concentrate on the small picture. This is like focusng on just one tree and then not eing able to see the vast forest around it or like the blind men and the elephant.This gives them a distorted sense of reality causing them to say thingsd like if nothiing matters then everything matters this is obviously contradictory because if nothing matters then nothing matters. Some say that life itself is meaningless but that they create their own meaning. This is a contradiction and a fantasy. They are doing exactly what they accuse religious people of doing. Some atheists say that passing their genes on to the next generation is what gives life meaning but that can only last until the final generation. Some say the value of life is the legacy we leave behind. There is no legacy.

I don't hear any atheists asserting that. Citations?

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