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29-01-2013, 10:36 AM (This post was last modified: 29-01-2013 10:59 AM by TrulyX.)
RE: Why do women try to be pretty?
(28-01-2013 07:46 PM)nsguy1350 Wrote:  To clear a few things up:

I'm not saying that women only dress well to impress men, just in case anyone got that from my post. Of course there are other reasons: boosting confidence, feeling good about yourself, even competition with other women and a whole host of other things.

I'm not saying men don't (I think I said this initially, but I want to restate it.) Many men work out, try to appear attractive, etc. It's just that in general, I see a lot more going into female attractiveness in society. For example, cosmetics are generally for females, plastic surgery (strictly for attractiveness, although for many it's a turn-off) is generally on females (although what can you really "enhance" on a male, come to think of it?), and fashion and style is primarily female-oriented (although men do have their fair share of fashion.)

Since this is the science forum, I'm more concerned about why this is the case, and when, not only in our species, do females become the sex that "flaunts" more? Now once again, I'm just noting something I see in society; I don't know if anyone can legitimately claim that more effort goes into looking attractive in human males than females, at least in the general modern society. Is this a matter of human society, with increased communications, pictures, etc. giving a new window for this to occur? Could this be an effect during human evolution?

Thank you for the examples in which the female is the more vibrant species; I was unaware of any specific instances of this. However, in the vast majority of the animal kingdom (of which I have seen, or remember), males are the ones that try to appear as attractive as possible to females, which then get to choose between potential mates.

Thank you to all, for giving me some insight on this topic.

Just on pure hypothesis: it's because of society, mainly tied strongly to religious beliefs. The views and expressions, that even though were probably not because of religion alone (think: evolution, natural roles, and irrational beings with the ability to reason), were infused in with religious beliefs, kind of forces some of the things you seem to have observed. As religion starts to dwindle away in society, you can see things kind of self-correcting, and with certain people's opposition to gender roles and behavioral norms, they seem to not like, there is an overcompensation, to a certain extent, in different ways and directions, also.

Basically, even until pretty recent in history, women were treated like total dogshit. They weren't allowed to be properly integrated into society, weren't allowed to speak up, weren't allowed to dress a certain way, weren't allowed to vote, weren't allowed to hold certain positions, weren't allowed to show any type of aggressive tendencies really in any area, other than probably motherhood, and I think you get the point. They were part of a society were males were the dominate, aggressive ones, to work, earn, get what they wanted, and the women were the passive, submissive, housewives that kind of quietly accepted things. Even asking a guy out, or trying show a guy that you liked him, was looked down upon harshly. And thus, looking as attractive as you possibly could, with what you had to work with in that regard, for the opposite sex, was basically what women had in general.

For guys, it was the same thing just the opposite. Guys were expected to be aggressive, tough, work, dress and present themselves a certain way. You really had a suit or a uniform to work with. Anything like long-hair, piercings, make-up or dressing differently, made you an outcast or a homosexual.

For both men and women, from what I could tell, it had to do with how religion, or how people thought their religion, prescribed that the behavior of how men and women, receptively, ought to be, in order to not be in sin. At least the things that came out in the culture were tied in very closely with the religion, and the religion was the main way those things were held together in society. Now, as far as I can tell, that stuff is pretty much ending, or coming to an end in society.

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29-01-2013, 10:54 AM
RE: Why do women try to be pretty?
(28-01-2013 07:46 PM)nsguy1350 Wrote:  To clear a few things up:

I'm not saying that women only dress well to impress men, just in case anyone got that from my post. Of course there are other reasons: boosting confidence, feeling good about yourself, even competition with other women and a whole host of other things.

I'm not saying men don't (I think I said this initially, but I want to restate it.) Many men work out, try to appear attractive, etc. It's just that in general, I see a lot more going into female attractiveness in society. For example, cosmetics are generally for females, plastic surgery (strictly for attractiveness, although for many it's a turn-off) is generally on females (although what can you really "enhance" on a male, come to think of it?), and fashion and style is primarily female-oriented (although men do have their fair share of fashion.)

Since this is the science forum, I'm more concerned about why this is the case, and when, not only in our species, do females become the sex that "flaunts" more? Now once again, I'm just noting something I see in society; I don't know if anyone can legitimately claim that more effort goes into looking attractive in human males than females, at least in the general modern society. Is this a matter of human society, with increased communications, pictures, etc. giving a new window for this to occur? Could this be an effect during human evolution?

Thank you for the examples in which the female is the more vibrant species; I was unaware of any specific instances of this. However, in the vast majority of the animal kingdom (of which I have seen, or remember), males are the ones that try to appear as attractive as possible to females, which then get to choose between potential mates.

Thank you to all, for giving me some insight on this topic.

I think you might just be observing something that kind isn't there, also.

Women only, as far as I can tell, want to present themselves in a way that is attractive-- your argument, question or point(s), would be: what is attractive, objectively and/or why are people attracted to what they are attracted to?

I think I answered, in my first post, why someone could get the view that you are getting, and why a person might observe women paying a lot more attention to their appearance, but as far as "flaunting", especially actively, I think men not only keep up with women, but maybe even take a win.

Guys go out of their way to attract women, and usually, horribly and miserably. It's not just with the attraction due to appearance, like you find that women are doing more of than men (which I would say is coming closer together), but you also have to look at other aspects. Guys also try to attract women though their actions, among other things. Things like: comedy and sense of humor, talk, athletics/sports, social status, successes, achievements, money, wealth, cars, houses, boats, physical strength and toughness (e.g. getting in fights), and so on.

Personally, I say that also has a lot to do with the history, and is starting to, especially is certain areas, dwindle away, but if you take that, along with flaunting by trying to be attractive in appearance alone, I'd say guys do, arguable, flaunt more than women.

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29-01-2013, 10:59 AM
RE: Why do women try to be pretty?
(29-01-2013 10:54 AM)TrulyX Wrote:  Guys go out of their way to attract women, and usually, horribly and miserably.
[Image: ROFL-smiley14.gif] Sorry, not trying to detract from your well thought out post, but that has got to be one the best and most concise ways of putting it.

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29-01-2013, 11:08 AM
RE: Why do women try to be pretty?
It doesn't help the plight of men that the media has been teaching women that men are nothing more than bloated, drunken, sex crazed buffoons who can't manage anything more than occasionally bringing home a paycheck to the overworked, under appreciated mother.

And then, of course.... that stereotype is promoted everywhere one looks. ↑↑↑
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29-01-2013, 12:03 PM
RE: Why do women try to be pretty?
(29-01-2013 11:08 AM)bbeljefe Wrote:  It doesn't help the plight of men that the media has been teaching women that men are nothing more than bloated, drunken, sex crazed buffoons who can't manage anything more than occasionally bringing home a paycheck to the overworked, under appreciated mother.

And then, of course.... that stereotype is promoted everywhere one looks. ↑↑↑

More accurately, the generalization, more so than the stereotype. The stereotypical characters and portrayals are usually rooted in reality, along with personal experiences. However, the "all men are dogs", and the ones that aren't don't like women, generalizations, don't really help out.

Also, you seem to be exaggerating slightly.

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29-01-2013, 03:25 PM
RE: Why do women try to be pretty?
(29-01-2013 10:10 AM)bbeljefe Wrote:  With regard to shaving... that's a matter of preference. Anyone who argues that it's dirty to have pubic hair probably also believes that cutting the end of a child's dick off has something to do with hygiene. I prefer to be shaved and to have the women I'm with shaved but again, just preference.
My point is it's a recent thing, probably brought on by porn in recent years: shaving. 20 years ago, if you looked at porn, you saw women with full bushes. People would actually say shaving it off was gross and prepubescent looking. Now, porn starts started shaving to minimize friction on the job, and it started to become the norm. My point is it's a fashion trend and has fuckall to do with hygiene. If you want to be hygienic, shower regularly. Use soap. I remember one time my ex shaved his pubes and I nearly barfed because it looked wrong to me, because I am not used to seeing that. I digress as usual...

Lita Ford: she objectified herself. My point about Angela Gossow was that she goes out of her way NOT to overly sexualize herself, wear tshirts and jeans, etc., yet the first thing people talk about when discussing Arch Enemy is whether or not they think she is hot or not. I can't stand the band, but I can't understand why my opinion of the music would have anything to do with the way she looks. I've never heard anyone say Judas Priest sucks because they think Rob Halford is ugly.

I agree with whoever said religion has a lot to do with it, also. The monotheisms certainly prescribe how women should look and act and what they're allowed to do.

Also: I remember seeing a ChristianMingle tv commercial, and it said "I met my beautiful wife on CM!" Why not "intelligent"? "Good at chess?" "Excellent athlete?" No, the one and only adjective he uses relates to her looks.

Consider when there is a news story about a death of some prominent person or cop died on the job or something. If it's a woman and she's at least mildly attractive, they always say "it's such a pity a beautiful young woman like this died so young..." whereas if a man died, they talk about his job, his contribution to society, his personality.
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29-01-2013, 04:08 PM
RE: Why do women try to be pretty?
I find all the ladies pretty; then at my age its sort of obligatory.
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29-01-2013, 06:31 PM
RE: Why do women try to be pretty?
"Also, you seem to be exaggerating slightly."

Well.... Yeah! You get what you give. Shy
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29-01-2013, 06:39 PM
RE: Why do women try to be pretty?
Um.. I wouldn't know about that. I stopped looking at porn in 1989. Well, sort of. Okay, no I didn't. :-) I like that claim from women that if a man wants her to shave he must want a prepubescent girl. To that, I answer fine, then I won't shave my face... after all, boys don't have whiskers so you must want to french kiss a child.

But seriously... I get what you mean.
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30-01-2013, 07:46 PM (This post was last modified: 30-01-2013 07:50 PM by amyb.)
RE: Why do women try to be pretty?
(29-01-2013 06:39 PM)bbeljefe Wrote:  Um.. I wouldn't know about that. I stopped looking at porn in 1989. Well, sort of. Okay, no I didn't. :-) I like that claim from women that if a man wants her to shave he must want a prepubescent girl. To that, I answer fine, then I won't shave my face... after all, boys don't have whiskers so you must want to french kiss a child.

But seriously... I get what you mean.
But a beard will keep growing, pubes won't. I'm pretty sure beard shaving has been in fashion a lot longer than pube shaving, but it's just fashion, too. Like Japanese girls who would wear pubic hair wigs too look more developed, or to mimic the way western women looked naked. Pubic hair was a sign of sexual maturity, therefore considered sexy.

Anyway, men who shave too many parts. [*shudder*] I don't understand how it's attractive to people, but I understand that many people find it attractive. I wouldn't mind if all people, male and female and otherwise, just completely stopped shaving forever. [shrug]

reminds me, in a German class in college we watched the video for nena's "99 luftballoons." All the guys in class freaked the fuck out when she lifted her arms, revealing hairy armpits. This was Germany in the '80s, and pit shaving hadn't caught on yet. I was amused at their reactions. Again, pit shaving, leg shaving, pube shaving have changed over the years according to the trends of the time period and location. There is nothing inherently attractive or unattractive, it depends on what people are used to seeing. It just sort of amazes me that pube shaving has apparently become the norm these days. I once thought it might be a thing to try to present themselves as more female (smooth, hairless, feminine) but then men started doing it too, so I think it's just the influence of porn and the internet that's cause this shift.
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