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04-01-2014, 04:15 PM
RE: Why is lust considered a bad thing by religions
Excessive lust is not only a problem discussed by religions but can be analysed via secular thought & philosophy.
Often the religions take a key idea which is universal and part of any wisdom tradition and then elevate it to a command as if God says so.

Excessive lust can be addictive, in some cases even pathological. Excessive lust can end up treating people as sex objects rather than developing deeper more fulfilling relationships which maybe more fulfilling that spending months downloading porn or visiting prostitutes.

I am merely sharing psychological insights from many secular philosophers & psychologists from the humanistic psychology of Erich Fromm (escape from freedom, love of life) to Epicurus, Aristotle and many psychiatrists today helping people overcome addictions (lust being one of them like gambling or drugs)

The problem with lust is it can be overwhelmingly distracting causing people to delay more gratifying goals for immediate gratification which may not bring lasting happiness (pretty much like drugs)

HOWEVER - Religious banning of any lust can cause powerful sexual suppression that when unleashed can cause some seriously unstable people. Banning desiring any lust is probably what makes catholic priests have distorted sexual tendencies for little children or male violence in many religions especially Islam due to excess sexual repression.

Hence why I started with the secular point of view about EXCESSIVE lust seen as very negative and addictive from rationalist philosophers & psychologists. Same with excessive eating causing obesity or drug abuse.
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04-01-2014, 04:16 PM
RE: Why is lust considered a bad thing by religions
(04-01-2014 07:16 AM)DLJ Wrote:  
(03-01-2014 03:32 PM)Alla Wrote:  ...
But sexual relationship outside the marriage is against God's law.

Erm... can I just check...

What is the punishment for breaking this law?

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04-01-2014, 04:17 PM
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(04-01-2014 04:00 PM)DLJ Wrote:  
(04-01-2014 03:54 PM)WitchSabrina Wrote:  ... straight up, neat and no rocks.

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04-01-2014, 04:18 PM
RE: Why is lust considered a bad thing by religions
(04-01-2014 04:15 PM)Baruch Wrote:  Excessive lust is not only a problem discussed by religions but can be analysed via secular thought & philosophy.
Often the religions take a key idea which is universal and part of any wisdom tradition and then elevate it to a command as if God says so.

Excessive lust can be addictive, in some cases even pathological. Excessive lust can end up treating people as sex objects rather than developing deeper more fulfilling relationships which maybe more fulfilling that spending months downloading porn or visiting prostitutes.

I am merely sharing psychological insights from many secular philosophers & psychologists from the humanistic psychology of Erich Fromm (escape from freedom, love of life) to Epicurus, Aristotle and many psychiatrists today helping people overcome addictions (lust being one of them like gambling or drugs)

The problem with lust is it can be overwhelmingly distracting causing people to delay more gratifying goals for immediate gratification which may not bring lasting happiness (pretty much like drugs)

HOWEVER - Religious banning of any lust can cause powerful sexual suppression that when unleashed can cause some seriously unstable people. Banning desiring any lust is probably what makes catholic priests have distorted sexual tendencies for little children or male violence in many religions especially Islam due to excess sexual repression.

Hence why I started with the secular point of view about EXCESSIVE lust seen as very negative and addictive from rationalist philosophers & psychologists. Same with excessive eating causing obesity or drug abuse.




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04-01-2014, 07:34 PM
RE: Why is lust considered a bad thing by religions
(04-01-2014 04:15 PM)Baruch Wrote:  Excessive lust is not only a problem discussed by religions but can be analysed via secular thought & philosophy.
I dunno,there's nothing philosophical about having sexual urges Confused
Quote:Excessive lust can be addictive
I don't think there's such thing as "Moderate lust" lol lust by definition is an impulsive desire which is triggered by hormones and is completely natural.
Quote:lust can end up treating people as sex objects rather than developing deeper more fulfilling relationships which maybe more fulfilling that spending months downloading porn or visiting prostitutes.
lol that's an old housewife's tale.. get real buddy Laughat

I don't know about people who have high libido but i don't think they cheat on their life partners just because they have higher sex drive that's just nonsense the ones who do cheat on their partner are either :-

A)Insecure
B)Manipulative asshats
Quote:The problem with lust is it can be overwhelmingly distracting
Well it is an impulsive desire which is necessary for the survival of our species H-Sapiens.Drinking Beverage

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05-01-2014, 04:56 AM
RE: Why is lust considered a bad thing by religions
Quote:Baruch Wrote:
Excessive lust is not only a problem discussed by religions but can be analysed via secular thought & philosophy.
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I dunno,there's nothing philosophical about having sexual urges

Every part of life can be reflected on via psychology + Philosophy regardless if impulsive urge or some lofty abstraction. I did not mention anything about it being WRONG to have sexual urges - that's completely natural & normal.

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Quote:Baruch: Excessive lust can be addictive
IndianAtheist I don't think there's such thing as "Moderate lust" lol lust by definition is an impulsive desire which is triggered by hormones and is completely natural.
Obviously lust is normal & healthy - but there is excessive lust - when it becomes an addiction like eating addictions (again hunger is a natural desire/impulse but can become psychologically harmful in an addiction eg comfort foods in obesity)
When I mean "too much vs moderate" I DO NOT mean when there is someone "sexually hot" you wind down the lust meter - that's just weird and lust is a natural response. i.e enjoy 100%.
What I do mean is moderation eg exposure to lust too often can cause harm - like any addiction. We simply lose appreciation for beauty and there are straightforward biological evidence based reasons why this occurs. Too much of a good thing can end up spoiling it.
This is not unique to lust but desensitization to anything highly desired. Eg When eating the choc cake enjoy it 100%, but keep eating it everyday and you may not appreciate it as much to get to 100%.



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Quote:Baruch:lust can end up treating people as sex objects rather than developing deeper more fulfilling relationships which maybe more fulfilling that spending months downloading porn or visiting prostitutes.
IndianAtheist: lol that's an old housewife's tale.. get real buddy

Lust is definitely a good thing, don't misquote me and I'm not some religious nut.
My point from psychological insight & analysis is excessive pre-occupations with lust can turn into an addiction. WHere the line between "normal" & "addiction" is crossed is not always easy to determine - high libido people may need a extra !

The issue here is a sexual relationship with only lust involved does objectify people into just ends without any deeper love & bonding. This has NOTHING to do with souls or religious stuff. In the long run it is more satisfying to have loving relationships with the lust than just lust.


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The problem with lust is it can be overwhelmingly distracting
IndianAtheist -Well it is an impulsive desire which is necessary for the survival of our species H-Sapiens.
Addiction to lust IS NOT NECESSARY for human survival and can actually be detrimental. Lust in a normal healthy manner is required - we need sex to mate & have children. Yeh - no priests - they can go extinct.
However overwhelming addictions of any sort can destabilize societies. Look what happens when a politician end up with multiple affairs & scandals - they can get distracted on priorities of the Job. If a surgeon is doing an important brain incision and all he can think about is his hard on and "best of porn" DVD - it might be a nasty outcome !Shocking
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06-01-2014, 12:25 PM
RE: Why is lust considered a bad thing by religions
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I'm not sure about other religious traditions, but christianity fetishises chastity. Poor old Saul of Tarsus had real hangups about the body.

Remember too that early christians (1st & 2nd century CE) expected Jesus to return in their lifetimes and so there was a existential crisis in their communities about sex, marriage and procreation. Chastity was held out as an ideal. Why indulge yourself in the filthiness of the flesh only to be caught short when the Boss got back?

As I understand it this was largely resolved at the end of the 2nd century CE by a rather unpleasant fellow called Clement of Alexandria (no, not Pope Clement) who declared that, for the faithful, sex was acceptable provided it occurred within a marriage and was solely focused on knocking the little woman up not having sexyfuntimes.

This mindset persists today in catholic moral teachings on human sexuality. Sex is only ok if it occurs within sacramentally valid marriage and is "open to the possibility of procreation." Basically a chap can't spoof anywhere outside of his wife's ladyhole.

No, not even on her baps. No

For this reason the church also considers masturbation a mortal sin.

I presume this charming morsel of moral theology finds traction in sundry other christian denominations. As I said above I don't know if similar attitudes are held amongst the infidel.

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06-01-2014, 12:32 PM
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(06-01-2014 12:25 PM)nooneofconsequence Wrote:  Perverts. Angry


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06-01-2014, 01:41 PM
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(06-01-2014 12:32 PM)WitchSabrina Wrote:  
(06-01-2014 12:25 PM)nooneofconsequence Wrote:  Perverts. Angry


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06-01-2014, 03:22 PM (This post was last modified: 06-01-2014 04:16 PM by IndianAtheist.)
RE: Why is lust considered a bad thing by religions
(05-01-2014 04:56 AM)Baruch Wrote:  I did not mention anything about it being WRONG to have sexual urges -that's completely natural & normal.
Well that's what i'm talking about there's nothing inherently wrong about it and yet religion paints it is as something to frown upon.
Quote:but there is excessive lust
Again.. there's no such thing as "excessive lust' just as there is no such thing as "excessive thirst"
Quote:when it becomes an addiction like eating addictions
how can you be addicted to something like lust ? that's like saying that you can get "addicted" to sneezing.
Quote:exposure to lust too often can cause harm - like any addiction.
Again i do not follow you here.. just how much is too much ? how much love is too much love ?
Quote:We simply lose appreciation for beauty and there are straightforward biological evidence based reasons why this occurs. Too much of a good thing can end up spoiling it.
lol you're making a sweeping assertion here.. and i'd like to see your "evidence"
Quote:This is not unique to lust but desensitization to anything highly desired.
Yeah but i don't see how that has anything to do with "lust but rather your argument has more to do with sex addiction i presume.
Quote:When eating the choc cake enjoy it 100%, but keep eating it everyday and you may not appreciate it as much to get to 100%.
But the hunger has nothing to do with actually.... the person has an eating disorder not "Hunger" addiction.

So what you're talking about is sex addiction which i think has nothing to do with my original topic.
Quote: high libido people may need a extra !
The worst you can be is like a teenager if you have a high libido which i don't think is much of a problem.
Quote:The issue here is a sexual relationship with only lust involved does objectify people into just ends without any deeper love & bonding.
Well duh if the person only loves for how your body then you should probably NOT have a relationship with him/her,this is like basic things of life.

Quote:Look what happens when a politician end up with multiple affairs & scandals
Well... they have LOTS AND LOTS of money! that's why they have multiple affairs.

This reminds of south park's funny episode.



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Quote:If a surgeon is doing an important brain incision and all he can think about is his hard on and "best of porn" DVD - it might be a nasty outcome !Shocking
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