Why is lust considered a bad thing by religions
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06-01-2014, 04:09 PM
RE: Why is lust considered a bad thing by religions
(06-01-2014 03:22 PM)IndianAtheist Wrote:  
(05-01-2014 04:56 AM)Baruch Wrote:  I did not mention anything about it being WRONG to have sexual urges -that's completely natural & normal.
Well that's what i'm talking about there's nothing inherently wrong about it and yet religion paints it is as something to frown upon.
Quote:but there is excessive lust
Again.. there's no such thing as "excessive lust' just as there is no such thing as "excessive thirst"
Quote:when it becomes an addiction like eating addictions
how can you be addicted to something like lust ? that's like saying that you can get "addicted" to sneezing.
Quote:exposure to lust too often can cause harm - like any addiction.
Again i do not follow you here.. just how much is too much ? how much love is too much love ?
Quote:We simply lose appreciation for beauty and there are straightforward biological evidence based reasons why this occurs. Too much of a good thing can end up spoiling it.
lol you're making a sweeping assertion here.. and i'd like to see your "evidence"
Quote:This is not unique to lust but desensitization to anything highly desired.
Yeah but i don't see how that has anything to do with "ust but rather your argument has more to do with sex addiction i presume.
Quote:When eating the choc cake enjoy it 100%, but keep eating it everyday and you may not appreciate it as much to get to 100%.
But the hunger has nothing to do with actually.... the person has an eating disorder not "Hunger" addiction.

So what you're talking about is sex addiction which i think has nothing to do with my original topic.
Quote: high libido people may need a extra !
The worst you can be is like a teenager if you have a high libido which i don't think is much of a problem.
Quote:The issue here is a sexual relationship with only lust involved does objectify people into just ends without any deeper love & bonding.
Well duh if the person only loves for how your body then you should probably NOT have a relationship with him/her,this is like basic things of life.

Quote:Look what happens when a politician end up with multiple affairs & scandals
Well... they have LOTS AND LOTS of money! that's why they have multiple affairs.

This reminds of south park's funny episode.



HA HA lol
Quote:If a surgeon is doing an important brain incision and all he can think about is his hard on and "best of porn" DVD - it might be a nasty outcome !Shocking
I'm pretty sure professional surgeons aren't this stupid. [Image: 040420_scissors_hmed11a.grid-6x2.jpg]



There is such a thing as sexual addiction. That may be what's meant here - instead of "lust". I'm guessing. But that makes more sense - addition to sex.
And no - personally I do not see lust and sex as the same. But that's just me.

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06-01-2014, 04:20 PM
RE: Why is lust considered a bad thing by religions
(06-01-2014 04:09 PM)WitchSabrina Wrote:  And no - personally I do not see lust and sex as the same. But that's just me
exactly.. i think @Baruch misunderstood lust for sex.

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07-01-2014, 04:08 AM
RE: Why is lust considered a bad thing by religions
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08-01-2014, 04:37 AM
RE: Why is lust considered a bad thing by religions
(02-01-2014 12:50 PM)Stevil Wrote:  
(02-01-2014 10:22 AM)IndianAtheist Wrote:  I don't get it,if its necessary for us to be sexually attracted to each other then why is it considered a bad thing?
I assume it is brain washing 101.
Knock down a person's sense of self worth. Replace it with a dependency on the church. Own the person's thoughts, make their decisions for them, get them to give much money to the church. Get them to indoctorine their own children to the same church. Get the children to give much money to the church.

Wash and repeat.

You hit the bullseye there my friend!

Consider the psychological damage caused by negativity about sex inflicted on millions of innocent people through their Christian upbringings. All youngsters explore their sexuality; yet the child or adolescent is told that such behaviors—even thoughts—are sins! The consequence is unnecessary guilt and shame. The psychology here was worked out centuries ago. The church’s agenda is to get people to dislike themselves. When an ego is wounded, a person is easier to control. The sexless Jesus, pure and sinless, comes to the rescue, sexual sins are forgiven, and the church has conned another customer. The punter is “saved” from a problem he never had in the first place.
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08-01-2014, 05:14 AM
RE: Why is lust considered a bad thing by religions
(08-01-2014 04:37 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  
(02-01-2014 12:50 PM)Stevil Wrote:  I assume it is brain washing 101.
Knock down a person's sense of self worth. Replace it with a dependency on the church. Own the person's thoughts, make their decisions for them, get them to give much money to the church. Get them to indoctorine their own children to the same church. Get the children to give much money to the church.

Wash and repeat.

You hit the bullseye there my friend!

Consider the psychological damage caused by negativity about sex inflicted on millions of innocent people through their Christian upbringings. All youngsters explore their sexuality; yet the child or adolescent is told that such behaviors—even thoughts—are sins! The consequence is unnecessary guilt and shame. The psychology here was worked out centuries ago. The church’s agenda is to get people to dislike themselves. When an ego is wounded, a person is easier to control. The sexless Jesus, pure and sinless, comes to the rescue, sexual sins are forgiven, and the church has conned another customer. The punter is “saved” from a problem he never had in the first place.

No. Lust is not a synonym for sex. Lust is an excessive interest in sex and it is considered a vice in pre-Christian thought in the West (e.g. Aristotle's virtue ethics, which even allowed pederasty) and the East (e.g. moderate desire in Confucianism).
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08-01-2014, 10:56 PM
RE: Why is lust considered a bad thing by religions
(08-01-2014 05:14 AM)Chippy Wrote:  
(08-01-2014 04:37 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  You hit the bullseye there my friend!

Consider the psychological damage caused by negativity about sex inflicted on millions of innocent people through their Christian upbringings. All youngsters explore their sexuality; yet the child or adolescent is told that such behaviors—even thoughts—are sins! The consequence is unnecessary guilt and shame. The psychology here was worked out centuries ago. The church’s agenda is to get people to dislike themselves. When an ego is wounded, a person is easier to control. The sexless Jesus, pure and sinless, comes to the rescue, sexual sins are forgiven, and the church has conned another customer. The punter is “saved” from a problem he never had in the first place.

No. Lust is not a synonym for sex. Lust is an excessive interest in sex and it is considered a vice in pre-Christian thought in the West (e.g. Aristotle's virtue ethics, which even allowed pederasty) and the East (e.g. moderate desire in Confucianism).

Jesus said:
“If a man looks at a woman lustfully, he has already committed adultery with her in his heart” (Matt. 5:28, NJB.)

Jesus said,
“There are eunuchs born that way from their mother’s womb, there are eunuchs made so by men and there are eunuchs who have made themselves that way for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let anyone accept this who can.” (Matt. 19:12, NJB.) He had no issue with castration to expedite entry into heaven. What a sick idea. The “good shepherd” wanted to castrate his sheep!

Whether we're talking about sex, or lust, Christians are usually taught to think negatively about it.

Jesus declared desire was depraved and implied we should be ashamed of our libidos.

Yet surely sexual thoughts are as natural and as inoffensive as hunger or the need to breathe. We can control acting on our desires, and to do so may have merit, but that isn’t what Jesus said.

For nearly two thousand years Christians have been plagued with guilt about sex. Some have suppressed their natural urges in the hope of impressing God and buying themselves a ticket to heaven. The consequence has been much misery and frustration, and many have ended up with neurotic issues. Some have sexually abused children. Jesus’ words must take some of the blame.
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08-01-2014, 11:02 PM
RE: Why is lust considered a bad thing by religions
Maybe...to turn sexual thoughts into "lust"....we need to supplement with zinc
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09-01-2014, 01:25 PM
RE: Why is lust considered a bad thing by religions
(08-01-2014 10:56 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  Yet surely sexual thoughts are as natural and as inoffensive as hunger or the need to breathe. We can control acting on our desires, and to do so may have merit, but that isn’t what Jesus said.
I think i figured it out now.. religion feeds off our guilt and tells us that there's something inherently wrong with us.

It capitalizes on our inability to come in grips with reality then it threatens us with punishment and torment.. religion follows the "Carrot and stick" approach to death.

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