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08-07-2017, 12:22 PM
RE: Why is the Christian God good?
(08-07-2017 12:14 PM)Alla Wrote:  Any action is neither good nor evil but neutral.

Tell that to thousands which perished in GULags. And run quickly afterwards.

Quote:Only law can make every action either good or evil.

No. Law makes thing legal and illegal.

Quote:Breaking men's laws is called crime. Breaking God's laws is called sin.

I agree on first. Second is just bullshit - no such thing as god.

Quote:When there is no law there is no crime/sin. When there is no crime/sin there is accountability. It is simple as that.

It's bullshit just like majority of your posts.

Quote:This is how God will judge ALL people: He will judge them according to what they know.

I'm not interested in your fables. And you too should grow up.

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08-07-2017, 12:25 PM
RE: Why is the Christian God good?
Szuchow Wrote:He did. Read a book sometime. Though it could be more accurate to say humanity instead of people (as in humans in general, not people in particular).
Nobody knows Lenin's true intentions unless Lenin HONESTLY explained them. We can not know if Lenin was honest about his intentions. Nobody can know Lenin's heart unless Lenin is honest about it.
So, I have no idea if Lenin was honest about his true intentions.


Szuchow Wrote:Can't one seek power to do what one thinks good? Can't one be happy about it?
Yes, one can seek power to do what is good. Yes, one can be happy about it.
Was Lenin this kind of person? I have no idea.


Szuchow Wrote:That sums up you cult even better - genocidal maniacs go to heaven, people who say something about third user of one account got to suffer. Despicable is mildest word that can be used here.
When and where did I say that genocidal maniacs go to heaven?

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08-07-2017, 12:30 PM
RE: Why is the Christian God good?
(08-07-2017 12:25 PM)Alla Wrote:  Nobody knows Lenin's true intentions unless Lenin HONESTLY explained them. We can not know if Lenin was honest about his intentions. Nobody can know Lenin's heart unless Lenin is honest about it.
So, I have no idea if Lenin was honest about his true intentions.

You generally have no idea or rather clue. Read a book sometimes, one that isn't called a Bible. It may do you some good. May being key word here.


Quote:Yes, one can seek power to do what is good. Yes, one can be happy about it.
Was Lenin this kind of person? I have no idea.

That you have no idea is obvious. No need repeating it.

Quote:When and where did I say that genocidal maniacs go to heaven?

Learn to lie a little better you clueless, deluded troll - According to the Gospel of Christ even dictators will be saved.

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08-07-2017, 12:31 PM
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Szuchow Wrote:I'm not interested in your fables.
Dobrze, panove Szuchow. I am not asking anybody to be interested in my fables.

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08-07-2017, 12:33 PM
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Szuchow Wrote:Learn to lie a little better you clueless, deluded troll - According to the Gospel of Christ even dictators will be saved.
I didn't say they will be saved in heaven, did I?

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08-07-2017, 12:33 PM (This post was last modified: 08-07-2017 12:39 PM by Szuchow.)
RE: Why is the Christian God good?
(08-07-2017 12:31 PM)Alla Wrote:  
Szuchow Wrote:I'm not interested in your fables.
Dobrze, panove Szuchow. I am not asking anybody to be interested in my fables.

No, just just spouting nonsense as if it was answer to something. If I didn't thought that you're troll then I would have pitied you.

(08-07-2017 12:33 PM)Alla Wrote:  
Szuchow Wrote:Learn to lie a little better you clueless, deluded troll - According to the Gospel of Christ even dictators will be saved.
I didn't say they will be saved in heaven, did I?

So you see how despicable is shit you believe in and you try to backpedal now?

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08-07-2017, 12:35 PM
RE: Why is the Christian God good?
Do widzenia, panove Szuchow.

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08-07-2017, 12:37 PM
RE: Why is the Christian God good?
(08-07-2017 12:35 PM)Alla Wrote:  Do widzenia, panove Szuchow.

Get lost.

You're perfect example of all that is wrong with religion. Shit you write make me want to throw up, or it would if I would think you're writing it for real, troll.

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08-07-2017, 12:46 PM
RE: Why is the Christian God good?
(08-07-2017 10:09 AM)Alla Wrote:  
mordant Wrote:I didn't suggest that god told them to kill. But their childhood suffering was a "test" or "opportunity" by your lights, was it not? One that they failed. Which produced "tests" for hundreds of other people over time. It's all good, isn't it? Everyone got the opportunity to become more god-like.

This is not what I believe.
In this life God tests only those who have knowledge and understanding of God's TRUE NATURE and who make COVENANTS with Him. Those people who have this knowledge and make covenants with God AGREED to be tested and they learn from those tests things they suppose to learn.
The rest of the world can not be tested. It would be ridiculous to test someone who have no idea he or she is tested.
Those who do not make covenants with true God are their own agents. But they still have plenty of opportunities to learn and to grow. They will have their rewards for all good they do. They will be accountable for all evil they do. BUT ONLY IF they understand that what they do is either evil or good.

In this world it is a privilege to know true nature of God and to make covenants with Him, it is not a right. But ALL people are given light of Christ. This is how we call "conscience" or "ability to know the difference between good and evil". So, ALL of us have this ability and ALL of us have opportunities to choose between good and evil. We ALL have opportunities to grow.
When Gospel claims "ALL" it includes only all those who didn't die as infants or young children, or who are not people with brain damage. Those don't even need to be baptized. They are free of sins, they are pure and clean(spiritually).

[Bold mine above]

This isn't true, though. Some people are born without a conscience (psychopaths). They feel no empathy. They feel no guilt. So to try and make this story true you'll have to come up with yet another story to account for reality.

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08-07-2017, 12:56 PM
RE: Why is the Christian God good?
(08-07-2017 11:51 AM)Alla Wrote:  
mordant Wrote:When you experience pain, you know what it is. You don't need to experience more.
Every new pain is new battle. It is about having battles and learning how to win them. Every new battle also brings more knowledge and more experience. It doesn't mean we have to win every one of them. It is all about our efforts. It is all about doing our best.
Yes, the glorification of struggle / pain / suffering is present in many religious traditions, it's scarcely limited to Mormonism. Catholic torture-porn art comes to mind. Those folks really get off on suffering -- it's kind of twisted. They believe it is good because it produces, as the KJV says, "an eternal weight of glory" and brings you closer to god now and in the life to come.

Whatever form it takes, I simply don't understand the glorification of human suffering and the masochistic embracing thereof. I mean, I get it intellectually in that it excuses the impotence of religious faith to effectively address suffering and misery, and provides a rationale to be indifferent to it. But at a personal level, I don't understand people being okay with it or even working to be okay with it. It's just sick.
(08-07-2017 11:51 AM)Alla Wrote:  
mordant Wrote:I understand of course that your wider point is that we are supposedly here to learn how to vanquish evil so we can become gods. Problem is, the gods clearly haven't vanquished it and have now run from their responsibility by turning over their vanquishing to us.
Evil is something that exists from eternity to eternity. There is no such thing as absolute beginning of evil/or good. There is no such thing as an absolute end of evil /or good.
Then the point of struggling against evil would be ... ?
(08-07-2017 11:51 AM)Alla Wrote:  Everyone suppose to have his or her own battles of mortality Gods had their battles of mortality.
Oh. I guess the point of suffering is suffering.
(08-07-2017 11:51 AM)Alla Wrote:  According to the Gospel of Christ only those who were mortals and had their battles may have eternal progression. This life is very important part of our ETERNAL existence in order to achieve eternal progression or Godhood. Our existence has no absolute beginning and no absolute end. But there are more than one relative beginnings and endings.
You and I are eternal material. We come from eternity we go into eternity.
Speak for yourself. I want no part of such an immoral system, even if I believed it existed.
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