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08-07-2017, 01:03 PM
RE: Why is the Christian God good?
Robvalue Wrote:This isn't true, though. Some people are born without a conscience (psychopaths). They feel no empathy. They feel no guilt. So to try and make this story true you'll have to come up with yet another story to account for reality.
I explained in one of my posts above that "ALL" are only those who have capacity to understand.
Some people don't have conscience. Infants do not have conscience. They are NOT accountable for anything. Not yet. They are here for another important reason - to obtain mortal physical body. The only way for a spirit to obtain mortal physical body is through mortal parents.
There are two reasons why we are born here:
to obtain physical bodies. Without them eternal progression is not possible
to gain new and very important knowledge and experiences
Those who didn't have ability to have conscience will have it during Millennium. They came here only to obtain physical bodies.

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08-07-2017, 01:19 PM
RE: Why is the Christian God good?
mordant Wrote:Yes, the glorification of struggle / pain / suffering is present in many religious traditions, it's scarcely limited to Mormonism. Catholic torture-porn art comes to mind. Those folks really get off on suffering -- it's kind of twisted. They believe it is good because it produces, as the KJV says, "an eternal weight of glory" and brings you closer to god now and in the life to come.
Mormons do not glorify suffering. We do not seek suffering. We avoid it when is possible. And when it is not possible we fight it. While we do it we learn many things, we progress when we learn.
We will win the battle when we find how to prevent cancer. It will be our victory. This is how we learn to be more like Gods.

mordant Wrote:Then the point of struggling against evil would be ... ?
The point is this - when I learn how to fight my own battles, I may become God. When I become God no evil can hurt me any more. No evil can deceive me any more.
This is the point - to become perfect immortal being and to have fullness of joy in eternal and infinite space despite eternal existence of evil. I have to earn Godhood. It is not given on silver plate.

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08-07-2017, 02:18 PM
RE: Why is the Christian God good?
(08-07-2017 01:03 PM)Alla Wrote:  
Robvalue Wrote:This isn't true, though. Some people are born without a conscience (psychopaths). They feel no empathy. They feel no guilt. So to try and make this story true you'll have to come up with yet another story to account for reality.
I explained in one of my posts above that "ALL" are only those who have capacity to understand.
Some people don't have conscience. Infants do not have conscience. They are NOT accountable for anything. Not yet. They are here for another important reason - to obtain mortal physical body. The only way for a spirit to obtain mortal physical body is through mortal parents.
There are two reasons why we are born here:
to obtain physical bodies. Without them eternal progression is not possible
to gain new and very important knowledge and experiences
Those who didn't have ability to have conscience will have it during Millennium. They came here only to obtain physical bodies.

Okay, it seems I misunderstood. My apologies.

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12-07-2017, 08:57 PM
RE: Why is the Christian God good?
He hands out fruit snacks every Sunday
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13-07-2017, 02:26 AM
RE: Why is the Christian God good?
(08-07-2017 01:03 PM)Alla Wrote:  
Robvalue Wrote:This isn't true, though. Some people are born without a conscience (psychopaths). They feel no empathy. They feel no guilt. So to try and make this story true you'll have to come up with yet another story to account for reality.
I explained in one of my posts above that "ALL" are only those who have capacity to understand.
Some people don't have conscience. Infants do not have conscience. They are NOT accountable for anything. Not yet. They are here for another important reason - to obtain mortal physical body. The only way for a spirit to obtain mortal physical body is through mortal parents.
There are two reasons why we are born here:
to obtain physical bodies. Without them eternal progression is not possible
to gain new and very important knowledge and experiences
Those who didn't have ability to have conscience will have it during Millennium. They came here only to obtain physical bodies.

> Yeah, and I'm King Isildur. Dodgy
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13-07-2017, 02:30 AM
RE: Why is the Christian God good?
I wish he'd just give me the physical body and get me the hell out of here. This is a lot of pointless theatre going on. If a baby with AIDS can get its body and learn enough to "become a god" in its very short life, then I'm getting the short end of the stick. (The fact that I can even say that shows how how warped the morality of this situation becomes.)

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13-07-2017, 04:31 AM
RE: Why is the Christian God good?
(13-07-2017 02:26 AM)Gwaithmir Wrote:  
(08-07-2017 01:03 PM)Alla Wrote:  I explained in one of my posts above that "ALL" are only those who have capacity to understand.
Some people don't have conscience. Infants do not have conscience. They are NOT accountable for anything. Not yet. They are here for another important reason - to obtain mortal physical body. The only way for a spirit to obtain mortal physical body is through mortal parents.
There are two reasons why we are born here:
to obtain physical bodies. Without them eternal progression is not possible
to gain new and very important knowledge and experiences
Those who didn't have ability to have conscience will have it during Millennium. They came here only to obtain physical bodies.

> Yeah, and I'm King Isildur. Dodgy

Alla doesn't understand the concept of a reductio ad absurdum.
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13-07-2017, 05:14 AM
RE: Why is the Christian God good?
(08-07-2017 01:19 PM)Alla Wrote:  
mordant Wrote:Yes, the glorification of struggle / pain / suffering is present in many religious traditions, it's scarcely limited to Mormonism. Catholic torture-porn art comes to mind. Those folks really get off on suffering -- it's kind of twisted. They believe it is good because it produces, as the KJV says, "an eternal weight of glory" and brings you closer to god now and in the life to come.
Mormons do not glorify suffering. We do not seek suffering. We avoid it when is possible. And when it is not possible we fight it. While we do it we learn many things, we progress when we learn.
We will win the battle when we find how to prevent cancer. It will be our victory. This is how we learn to be more like Gods.

mordant Wrote:Then the point of struggling against evil would be ... ?
The point is this - when I learn how to fight my own battles, I may become God. When I become God no evil can hurt me any more. No evil can deceive me any more.
This is the point - to become perfect immortal being and to have fullness of joy in eternal and infinite space despite eternal existence of evil. I have to earn Godhood. It is not given on silver plate.

Who; exactly, bestows this "godhood" ?

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