Why is there such an obsession with Foreskins in the OT
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04-03-2014, 11:26 AM
RE: Why is there such an obsession with Foreskins in the OT
(04-03-2014 11:15 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  It's almost like he doesn't want to have any honest discussions on this board.

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04-03-2014, 11:27 AM
RE: Why is there such an obsession with Foreskins in the OT
(04-03-2014 10:00 AM)Impulse Wrote:  ...said the blind man. Drinking Beverage

Typical theist maneuver. Why answer the question when you can complain about it instead?
If it's a typical theist maneuver to not take the bait of a loaded question, then you seem to be admitting that it's a typical atheist maneuver to ask loaded questions. Tongue
Quote:So here's another for you to avoid: Why 32 verses (assuming that's even correct) dedicated to something about which there shouldn't even be 1 verse? Rolleyes
As I noted in another thread recently, a stated purpose of the law was to set Israel apart from other nations. Circumcision would discourage frivolous converts, don'tcha think?
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04-03-2014, 11:32 AM
RE: Why is there such an obsession with Foreskins in the OT
(04-03-2014 11:15 AM)docskeptic Wrote:  
(04-03-2014 10:57 AM)kingschosen Wrote:   No one else circumcised, so it was an easy way for the Hebrew to stand apart socially (which is what they wanted).

It's kind of unfair to say that the OT was obsessed with foreskins because it's ANE literature and this practice was common during that time.

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I was talking about foreskin gathering.

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04-03-2014, 11:35 AM
RE: Why is there such an obsession with Foreskins in the OT
(04-03-2014 11:27 AM)alpha male Wrote:  
(04-03-2014 10:00 AM)Impulse Wrote:  ...said the blind man. Drinking Beverage

Typical theist maneuver. Why answer the question when you can complain about it instead?
If it's a typical theist maneuver to not take the bait of a loaded question, then you seem to be admitting that it's a typical atheist maneuver to ask loaded questions. Tongue
It wasn't a loaded question and I also never said it was. It was you who said that. Nice strawman. Drinking Beverage

(04-03-2014 11:27 AM)alpha male Wrote:  
Quote:So here's another for you to avoid: Why 32 verses (assuming that's even correct) dedicated to something about which there shouldn't even be 1 verse? Rolleyes
As I noted in another thread recently, a stated purpose of the law was to set Israel apart from other nations. Circumcision would discourage frivolous converts, don'tcha think?
Oh, we're supposed to piece together your posts from all threads now? Rolleyes Anyway, this has what to do with religion and gawd (crossed out so as not to "load" the question) God?

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04-03-2014, 11:36 AM
RE: Why is there such an obsession with Foreskins in the OT
(04-03-2014 11:27 AM)alpha male Wrote:  
(04-03-2014 10:00 AM)Impulse Wrote:  ...said the blind man. Drinking Beverage

Typical theist maneuver. Why answer the question when you can complain about it instead?
If it's a typical theist maneuver to not take the bait of a loaded question, then you seem to be admitting that it's a typical atheist maneuver to ask loaded questions. Tongue
Quote:So here's another for you to avoid: Why 32 verses (assuming that's even correct) dedicated to something about which there shouldn't even be 1 verse? Rolleyes
As I noted in another thread recently, a stated purpose of the law was to set Israel apart from other nations. Circumcision would discourage frivolous converts, don'tcha think?

Hey. Moron. Just because YOU claim that it's a loaded question (in your failing attempt to deflect and derail the thread) doesn't make it so.

Makes a lot of sense that a people would try to discourage frivolous converts" by mutilating a part of their body that almost no one would see. Of course, it's outrageously perverse as well. But thanks for the laugh -- It makes a hell of a lot of sense that a religion and culture that is so down on homosexuality would have as their "challenge coin" the act of showing each other their genitals when, say, a tattoo would have been far easier (as in "SPQR"). Hobo

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04-03-2014, 11:43 AM
RE: Why is there such an obsession with Foreskins in the OT
(04-03-2014 11:35 AM)Impulse Wrote:  It wasn't a loaded question and I also never said it was. It was you who said that. Nice strawman. Drinking Beverage
"Why is there such an obsession with Foreskins in the OT" is quite obviously loaded with the assertion that there is an obsession with foreskins in the OT. This isn't debatable. It's blatant. No attempt was made to hide it.
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04-03-2014, 11:45 AM
RE: Why is there such an obsession with Foreskins in the OT
... because ritual scarring and mutilation were extremely widely practiced in ancient times all over the world, and circumcision was the slice'n'dice of choice in that part of the world already (as evidenced by a number of ancient Semitic cultures greatly predating the emergence of the Hebrews as a separate people)?

And, since the Jews weren't much on half measures...

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04-03-2014, 11:54 AM (This post was last modified: 04-03-2014 12:04 PM by docskeptic.)
RE: Why is there such an obsession with Foreskins in the OT
(04-03-2014 11:32 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(04-03-2014 11:15 AM)docskeptic Wrote:  KC,
Make up your mind!
Doc

I was talking about foreskin gathering.

But, KC, you are implying that only the Jews practised circumcision on the living. But that's not true. Both the Egyptians and the Nabatean Arabs, Israel's neighbors, practised ritual circumcision well before Israel.

A stele from the twenty-third century BCE (The Offering of Uha) indicates that the author, Uha, was involved in a mass circumcision and boasts that during the ceremony, not one of the 121 men scratched or fought back while being circumcised (indicating that universal acceptance of the ritual was sadly lacking!).

How, then, would circumcision separate the Jews from their neighbors?

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04-03-2014, 11:57 AM
RE: Why is there such an obsession with Foreskins in the OT
(04-03-2014 11:43 AM)alpha male Wrote:  
(04-03-2014 11:35 AM)Impulse Wrote:  It wasn't a loaded question and I also never said it was. It was you who said that. Nice strawman. Drinking Beverage
"Why is there such an obsession with Foreskins in the OT" is quite obviously loaded with the assertion that there is an obsession with foreskins in the OT. This isn't debatable. It's blatant. No attempt was made to hide it.
32 references... the obsession is factual, not an assumption. To be loaded, it would have to be an assumption.

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04-03-2014, 11:58 AM
RE: Why is there such an obsession with Foreskins in the OT
(04-03-2014 11:43 AM)alpha male Wrote:  
(04-03-2014 11:35 AM)Impulse Wrote:  It wasn't a loaded question and I also never said it was. It was you who said that. Nice strawman. Drinking Beverage
"Why is there such an obsession with Foreskins in the OT" is quite obviously loaded with the assertion that there is an obsession with foreskins in the OT. This isn't debatable. It's blatant. No attempt was made to hide it.

Yes because every book that goes 1500 pages, no matter the subject, is going to have AT LEAST 30, if not 50, references to the need to lop the end of one's hooter off.


I mean, look at Harry Potter -- must have come up a couple hundred times at least...Hobo

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