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28-09-2014, 12:12 PM (This post was last modified: 28-09-2014 12:22 PM by ZeroX3.)
Why isn't this taught in schools yet as historical fact



There are plenty of evidence to support that

- Creation story til Joshua are all myths and not historical facts. (Evidence shows that this destroys the abrahamic faith of Judaism, Christianity and Islam)
- Israelites originated from Canaanites. Evidence from similar language and pottery from Canaanites to Israelites. They always lived in the land of Israel and were never an outsider group. (In the Bible: Moses led bunch of people from Slavery of Egypt to the promised land Israel "Hidden Nationalism". Joshua killed an conquered Israel Is just a story. Jericho wall destruction dates to 1500 bc, in comparison to the biblical timeline of 1400 bc when Joshua started, so its just a story. But why kill the Canaanites, probably because they were ashamed of their pagan past, since the Israelites were once Canaanites)
- Bible starts to be about right with a few errors when it comes to Philistines
- King David existed. But he didnt rule over a vast kingdom but was more of a chieftain over a village due to findings of his kingdom.
- The jews were not 100% monotheistic as the bible makes them out to be. Evidence showed YHWH had a wife called Asherah. I mean some might say well bible doesnt have it wrong on that one. Well the difference is it was accepted because monotheism wasn't there yet, it was something called Henotheism
- Judaism religion and torah. The belief in one god started after the babylonian exile when "Cyrus the great" allowed the jews to rebuild Israel. That's when monotheism was in.

So i don't understand why this is not taught in schools. Why lie about something that's not true. But i think its nice to appreciate myths and stories from religion, i mean they might be just stories, but its good literature Smile. Aslong as one can distinguish historical facts and stories. Then everybody wins. This proves historical fact of a country for what it is, that's the way it should be.

So teachers around the world should teach this in my opinion. There is no doubt that this should go through.

Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_Dan_Stele
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_...cal_record
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henotheism#...ly_Judaism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh#Hist...eh_worship

Documentary:
Nova - The Bible's buried secrets
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28-09-2014, 02:53 PM
RE: Why isn't this taught in schools yet as historical fact
The situation depend of the country.

USA :
1.Religion is something of really important in this society.
2.The political parties are tie to religious groups.
3.In a country in which the majority of Christians have a problem with the theory of evolution compared to others Western countries it is really problematic to teach these things.
etc....
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28-09-2014, 03:08 PM (This post was last modified: 28-09-2014 03:55 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Why isn't this taught in schools yet as historical fact
Joshua was a myth also. You can assume that anything that is "dated" before about 1200-1100 BCE is myth.
Good video. Glad you liked it.
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28-09-2014, 03:57 PM
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That is an excellent series, you know they're on to something when the apologists get their panties in a wad about the documentary hypothesis.

When you Google "Who wrote Genesis?" A paid advertisement comes up at the top of the search results from creation.com. Clicking this link leads to the page where they attack the documentary hypothesis thusly:

Quote:Thus the documentary hypothesis undermines the authenticity of the Genesis Creation/Fall/Flood accounts, as well as the whole patriarchal history of Israel. It presupposes that the whole of the Old Testament is one gigantic literary fraud, and calls into question not only the integrity of Moses, but also the trustworthiness/divinity of Jesus (see point 5 below). No wonder the critics have embraced it so warmly!

It's really highlights the fear they have of the documentary hypothesis becoming common knowledge, out of 10 results displayed on the search of "Who wrote Genesis?" NINE! of these are Christian apologists, with one paid result at the top that is an apologist result. Only one, real organic search result in Wikipedia displays on the second link, all the rest are apologists.

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28-09-2014, 04:31 PM
RE: Why isn't this taught in schools yet as historical fact
It is really interesting they *need* to do everything they can to hide the truth of the actual state of Biblical Scholarship.

From my : http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...other-Look

In 1952, a team was set in place by the world-famous, preeminent scholar, archaeologist and pioneer discoverer of Holy Land historical sites and documents, Dr. William Foxwell Albright, the professor of Semitic languages at the Johns Hopkins University. Their job was to write criticisms and scholarly work concerning all biblical texts. The team was composed of the most respected biblical scholars in the US and Europe, including Dr. John W. Bailey, Professor Emeritus, New Testament, Berkley Baptist Divinity School, Dr Albert E. Barnett, Professor Candler School of Theology, Emory University, Dr. Walter Russell Bowel, Professor, The Protestant Episcopal Seminary, Virginia, Dr. John Bright, Professor, Union Seminary and many others.

The team of 124 clergymen and scholars came mostly from conservative, mainline universities and churches for the most part, the likes of whom will never be seen again in one place, whose names evoke the utmost and deepest respect, even if one completely disagrees with their religious views. They wrote the huge 13 volume set, now considered a valuable rare book, called "The Interpreters Bible". Today it is usually kept under lock and key in seminaries and libraries. This set includes an introduction to scholarship and looks at every single verse and word in the Bible, discusses their origins and possible meanings from various points of view. It has been updated in the 1990's, but the original scholarship is still the central fundamental summary of knowledge, which summarized scholarship from the Medieval period (1850's -1950's) and is therefore considered to be an interesting historical snapshot. It is also an assurance that these absolutely respected leading intellectuals from the 20th Century scholarship, of whom most were religious, have agreed to have each other's names associated with their own and that they felt comfortable with what each other were saying in an academic setting and commanded world-wide respect as conservative, careful, and sincere, life-long teachers, academics and scholars.

On page 15 of "The Interpreters Bible", Dr. Herbert F. Farmer, Professor of Divinity at Cambridge University wrote about the indispensability of the texts, their importance and how the "truth" of them should be approached, after an exposition of the traditional conservative Christian view of person-hood, sin and the salvific actions of Jesus (aka Yeshua ben Josef), known as "the Christ" in human history.

"The reason has to do with the evidence afforded by the texts themselves, and calls for fuller treatment. Scholarly research into the texts themselves, has convincingly shown that they cannot be accepted in detail as they stand."

He then continues by discussing the details of what a "faith document" is and how it differs from what we would consider an historical text today. The next chapter, authored by Dr. Arthur Jeffrey, Professor of Semitic Languages at Columbia, deals with the formation of the Old Testament canon. He wrote what is seen as the fundamental insight in modern Biblical Study and summarized the central academic position of every mainline, respected, and credible center of Biblical scholarship in the world today :

"Historians can merely state that a canon of scripture is not something given, but something humanly devised. From the historical point of view, the canon is the result of human decision as to which among the religious writing existing in a community are those in which it recognizes the authentic voice of religious authority speaking to man."

This is affirmation that what ultimately is included in a Biblical text, is a subjective reflection of the experience of an already believing, religious community, meaning that it's purpose is to reassure them of what they already believe in. The content of the texts does not consist of "externally received" information. It is information they already possessed and the community accepted as a reflection of their prior experience, and belief.

There are three important things to understand about this shocking statement. First of all, humans decided what would go into the texts. Secondly, the process of inclusion was, in general, a community decision. Third, both in the Christian and Hebrew culture, the community stood as the decision maker and guardian/gate keeper,of what went into a text. Last but not least, the decisions were never made by individuals, acting alone.

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28-09-2014, 05:02 PM
RE: Why isn't this taught in schools yet as historical fact
tl;dr

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28-09-2014, 05:32 PM (This post was last modified: 28-09-2014 06:42 PM by Bucky Ball.)
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(28-09-2014 05:02 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  tl;dr

ts;dc
tough shit ; don't care
Not everything can be presented in 1 sentence.

It's going on 100 years that mainline scholars, including some of the most conservative ones, have accepted that the OT cannot be taken literally.

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28-09-2014, 09:06 PM
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28-09-2014, 10:49 PM
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Because schools are funded by taxpayers who believe in the Easter Bunny.

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29-09-2014, 05:22 AM
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(28-09-2014 09:06 PM)Diogenes of Mayberry Wrote:  [Image: attachment.php?aid=2330]

Except this is misleading.
The actual Torah of Moses was assembled in Exile, about 100 years later, (and was unknown in Josiah's reign), and as described in the Book of Nehemiah was presented to the nation in a Fall Festival by Ezra. Josiah's High Priest may have been responsible for Deuteronomy. He was not responsible for the compilation of, or all the Babylonian influences in, and inclusions in the other texts.

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