Why should a deity exist?
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13-02-2017, 11:13 AM
RE: Why should a deity exist?
Uncaused existence. Uncaused existence needs no God.
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13-02-2017, 11:15 AM
RE: Why should a deity exist?
(13-02-2017 11:13 AM)Peter Slevon Wrote:  Uncaused existence. Uncaused existence needs no God.
amen. Smile I mean I agree.
But caused existence needs God

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13-02-2017, 11:16 AM
RE: Why should a deity exist?
(13-02-2017 11:11 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(13-02-2017 10:48 AM)Alla Wrote:  1) I can know what pain/misery is
2) I can become ALL-knowing diety.
3) I can overcome trials and become a better/stronger person. More godlike.

When you die, you will be very godlike: non-existent. Drinking Beverage

You're missing the whole point of the "God of the Gaps" argument you crotchety old geezer. The gap is between birth and death, being and nothingness, God is found in between. Tongue

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13-02-2017, 11:19 AM
RE: Why should a deity exist?
(13-02-2017 11:16 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(13-02-2017 11:11 AM)Chas Wrote:  When you die, you will be very godlike: non-existent. Drinking Beverage

You're missing the whole point of the "God of the Gaps" argument you crotchety old geezer. The gap is between birth and death, being and nothingness, God is found in between. Tongue

Because you're just not quite right in the head, you see a gap where none exists. Yes

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13-02-2017, 11:22 AM
RE: Why should a deity exist?
(13-02-2017 11:19 AM)Chas Wrote:  Because you're just not quite right in the head, you see a gap where none exists. Yes




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13-02-2017, 11:23 AM
RE: Why should a deity exist?
Chas Wrote:We know the answer: there doesn't need to be. We are a product of evolution.
Perfect.
So, how do we know that there no need for a product of evolution?
Chas Wrote:When you die, you will be very godlike: non-existent.
I don't believe that this statement is true.

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13-02-2017, 11:31 AM
RE: Why should a deity exist?
(13-02-2017 11:23 AM)Alla Wrote:  
Chas Wrote:We know the answer: there doesn't need to be. We are a product of evolution.
Perfect.
So, how do we know that there no need for a product of evolution?

That is an ill-formed question. Evolution will produce organisms and no particular organism "needed to be".

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Chas Wrote:When you die, you will be very godlike: non-existent.
I don't believe that this statement is true.

But you have no evidence for that belief; it's just wishful thinking.

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13-02-2017, 11:32 AM
RE: Why should a deity exist?
(13-02-2017 10:48 AM)Alla Wrote:  
Cypher44 Wrote:"Why do I suffer"
1) I can know what pain/misery is
2) I can become ALL-knowing diety.
3) I can overcome trials and become a better/stronger person. More godlike.

I like this aspect of your metaphysics. This mess is a god proving ground and Jesus is the gladiator's Doctore. Only difference is that I think the training's already been done and this is gods' playground.

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13-02-2017, 11:32 AM
RE: Why should a deity exist?
(13-02-2017 11:22 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  

I have never heard this version. Beautiful.Heart

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13-02-2017, 11:42 AM
RE: Why should a deity exist?
Chas Wrote:That is an ill-formed question. Evolution will produce organisms and no particular organism "needed to be".
1) who says "no particular organism needed to be"?
2) how do we know this?
Chas Wrote:But you have no evidence for that belief; it's just wishful thinking.
So?
P.S.You can't prove that my wishful thinking is false.

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