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15-02-2017, 03:13 PM
RE: Why should a deity exist?
Here's one for you Tongue




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18-02-2017, 10:37 AM
RE: Why should a deity exist?
(14-02-2017 02:39 AM)Alla Wrote:  
(14-02-2017 02:23 AM)Robvalue Wrote:  Absolutely, I've taken the position of ignosticism for quite some time now. I've previously asked theists to define "God", and the discussion has gone on for 30+ pages without them managing to do this. I don't think many people are used to thinking about it.
Ok, I can answer in a few sentences.

God is intelligent, immortal, glorified, resurrected Man.
He is perfect Man, meaning He is free from any sin(He is righteous).
Hmm . . . The claimed God of the Bible is not a man. Numbers 23:19 OT. John 4:24 NT (compare Luke 24:39).
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18-02-2017, 11:22 AM
RE: Why should a deity exist?
(14-02-2017 02:39 AM)Alla Wrote:  Ok, I can answer in a few sentences.

God is intelligent, immortal, glorified, resurrected Man.
He is perfect Man, meaning He is free from any sin (He is righteous).

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There is not ONE theologian in the entire world that says god is man. Not One.

(Where *do* these people get this shit ?)

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18-02-2017, 01:10 PM (This post was last modified: 18-02-2017 01:29 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Why should a deity exist?
"The God-man closeth Hell's sad doors, In all His majesty He soars." - Goethe Bob

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19-02-2017, 11:38 AM
RE: Why should a deity exist?
Peter Slevon Wrote:Hmm . . . The claimed God of the Bible is not a man. Numbers 23:19 OT. John 4:24 NT (compare Luke 24:39).
I believe that this claim of God is true.
But I don't understand what your point is?

Bucky Ball Wrote:There is not ONE theologian in the entire world that says god is man. Not One.
OK. And your point is?
Why are you telling me this?

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19-02-2017, 01:15 PM
RE: Why should a deity exist?
(19-02-2017 11:38 AM)Alla Wrote:  
Peter Slevon Wrote:Hmm . . . The claimed God of the Bible is not a man. Numbers 23:19 OT. John 4:24 NT (compare Luke 24:39).
I believe that this claim of God is true.
But I don't understand what your point is?

Bucky Ball Wrote:There is not ONE theologian in the entire world that says god is man. Not One.
OK. And your point is?
Why are you telling me this?
You SAID god is a man in your own post.
Quote:God is intelligent, immortal, glorified, resurrected Man.
He is perfect Man, meaning He is free from any sin (He is righteous).
Evangelicals will say he's a perfect fusion of god and man (a "god man") that he is fully divine and yet fully human. This is called, in theological terms, "the hypostatic union". That is as close as any mainstream orthodox theologian would ever come to calling Christ a "man" (capitalized or otherwise) because to do that would be nearly tantamount to denying his divinity, which in Christianity, would be heresy.
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19-02-2017, 07:37 PM
RE: Why should a deity exist?
(19-02-2017 01:15 PM)mordant Wrote:  
(19-02-2017 11:38 AM)Alla Wrote:  I believe that this claim of God is true.
But I don't understand what your point is?

OK. And your point is?
Why are you telling me this?
You SAID god is a man in your own post.
Quote:God is intelligent, immortal, glorified, resurrected Man.
He is perfect Man, meaning He is free from any sin (He is righteous).
Evangelicals will say he's a perfect fusion of god and man (a "god man") that he is fully divine and yet fully human. This is called, in theological terms, "the hypostatic union". That is as close as any mainstream orthodox theologian would ever come to calling Christ a "man" (capitalized or otherwise) because to do that would be nearly tantamount to denying his divinity, which in Christianity, would be heresy.
You are talking about Jesus Christ. He was mortal man but not like us. We have both mortal parents. Christ had only one mortal parent (according to the Bible)

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19-02-2017, 07:39 PM
RE: Why should a deity exist?
I have never said that God is a man. Never, ever.
I said that God is glorified, immortal, resurrected Man.

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19-02-2017, 08:55 PM
RE: Why should a deity exist?
(19-02-2017 07:39 PM)Alla Wrote:  I have never said that God is a man. Never, ever.
I said that God is glorified, immortal, resurrected Man.

And I say god is a product of human imagination.

We disagree about this fundamental issue.
How can we go about determining if one of us is right ?
Or maybe we're both wrong ?

If you care whether or not your beliefs are true or not, we can both try to figure out the truth behind the belief.

If you don't care if your beliefs are true, then we have nothing to discuss.

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19-02-2017, 09:38 PM
RE: Why should a deity exist?
(19-02-2017 07:37 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(19-02-2017 01:15 PM)mordant Wrote:  You SAID god is a man in your own post.
Evangelicals will say he's a perfect fusion of god and man (a "god man") that he is fully divine and yet fully human. This is called, in theological terms, "the hypostatic union". That is as close as any mainstream orthodox theologian would ever come to calling Christ a "man" (capitalized or otherwise) because to do that would be nearly tantamount to denying his divinity, which in Christianity, would be heresy.
You are talking about Jesus Christ. He was mortal man but not like us. We have both mortal parents. Christ had only one mortal parent (according to the Bible)
Well yes but standard Christian dogma is that Jesus is god in the flesh, immortal, fully god and fully man. Your doctrine simply imagines something else, which is fine with me, but I'm sure is not fine with many Christians, particularly evangelicals. This is exactly why Mormonism has difficulty being accepted by Christianity when it wants to be considered a Christian religion.
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