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11-01-2013, 03:40 PM
RE: Why should prostitution be illegal?
(11-01-2013 02:01 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  Ron Paul is a clear example of the anarcho-capitalists and uneducated anti-federalists masquerading as Libertarians.
Well that says a lot about you. If someone differs from your political philosophy they are by definition uneducated? Get off your fucking high-horse. Anti-federalism is a logical result of Libertarianism/Classical Liberalism...no masquerading involved. Ideally Libertarians would also like to have small government at the state level as well, but your can affect things at the state level much easier than you can at the fed level, it's easier to change things that don't work, and more importantly what your state laws are better reflects what it's people want. It also means if you don't like the way things are done at the state level you can just pack your shit and leave to a state that's doing things the way you feel they ought to be done. In effect if you have shitty laws, your population and its money is going to move with it. If you have practical laws that suit the people well, you can expect success. Right now the hands of the states are tied by the federal government which is overstepping its bounds and encroaching on the rights of its citizens. If that were to happen with more independent states you can always say "Fuck off!" and leave. It is true that you can do that now and move to a new country, but not nearly as fucking easily. Basically states can better and more efficiently solve their problems and assert their laws to govern their problems.
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11-01-2013, 03:45 PM
RE: Why should prostitution be illegal?
(11-01-2013 03:40 PM)Dark Light Wrote:  
(11-01-2013 02:01 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  Ron Paul is a clear example of the anarcho-capitalists and uneducated anti-federalists masquerading as Libertarians.
Well that says a lot about you. If someone differs from your political philosophy they are by definition uneducated? Get off your fucking high-horse. Anti-federalism is a logical result of Libertarianism/Classical Liberalism...no masquerading involved. Ideally Libertarians would also like to have small government at the state level as well, but your can affect things at the state level much easier than you can at the fed level, it's easier to change things that don't work, and more importantly what your state laws are better reflects what it's people want. It also means if you don't like the way things are done at the state level you can just pack your shit and leave to a state that's doing things the way you feel they ought to be done. In effect if you have shitty laws, your population and its money is going to move with it. If you have practical laws that suit the people well, you can expect success. Right now the hands of the states are tied by the federal government which is overstepping its bounds and encroaching on the rights of its citizens. If that were to happen with more independent states you can always say "Fuck off!" and leave. It is true that you can do that now and move to a new country, but not nearly as fucking easily. Basically states can better and more efficiently solve their problems and assert their laws to govern their problems.
less bureaucrats=more efficiency (time, money and productivity)


Doing away with 50 state governments would mean even more efficiency.

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11-01-2013, 05:35 PM
RE: Why should prostitution be illegal?
(11-01-2013 03:45 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(11-01-2013 03:40 PM)Dark Light Wrote:  Well that says a lot about you. If someone differs from your political philosophy they are by definition uneducated? Get off your fucking high-horse. Anti-federalism is a logical result of Libertarianism/Classical Liberalism...no masquerading involved. Ideally Libertarians would also like to have small government at the state level as well, but your can affect things at the state level much easier than you can at the fed level, it's easier to change things that don't work, and more importantly what your state laws are better reflects what it's people want. It also means if you don't like the way things are done at the state level you can just pack your shit and leave to a state that's doing things the way you feel they ought to be done. In effect if you have shitty laws, your population and its money is going to move with it. If you have practical laws that suit the people well, you can expect success. Right now the hands of the states are tied by the federal government which is overstepping its bounds and encroaching on the rights of its citizens. If that were to happen with more independent states you can always say "Fuck off!" and leave. It is true that you can do that now and move to a new country, but not nearly as fucking easily. Basically states can better and more efficiently solve their problems and assert their laws to govern their problems.
less bureaucrats=more efficiency (time, money and productivity)


Doing away with 50 state governments would mean even more efficiency.
I'm with you there, no government would be ideal, but not practical. Tongue

Seriously though, there is a natural and unstoppable flow of power toward government power over it's people. It just happens...you can't stop it, but more independence would slow it. Eventually the government gets to big and collapses in on itself, assuming it lasts long enough to come to this spectacular end. The Romans did a pretty good job, they lasted about 1500 years...anyway more independence is best, that that is best done in our situation by allowing states to govern themselves on the most part, with the Bill of Rights protecting the people from their state government.

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11-01-2013, 06:16 PM (This post was last modified: 11-01-2013 07:36 PM by Diablo.)
RE: Why should prostitution be illegal?
How are 50 sovereign states & 1 Fed less govt than 50 states with one superseding Fed govt?

Sounds about the same, if not more.

PS: You can move out of the US as well. It wouldn't be much different than moving to another state.
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11-01-2013, 06:51 PM (This post was last modified: 11-01-2013 07:03 PM by Logica Humano.)
RE: Why should prostitution be illegal?
(11-01-2013 03:40 PM)Dark Light Wrote:  
(11-01-2013 02:01 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  Ron Paul is a clear example of the anarcho-capitalists and uneducated anti-federalists masquerading as Libertarians.
Well that says a lot about you. If someone differs from your political philosophy they are by definition uneducated? Get off your fucking high-horse. Anti-federalism is a logical result of Libertarianism/Classical Liberalism...no masquerading involved. Ideally Libertarians would also like to have small government at the state level as well, but your can affect things at the state level much easier than you can at the fed level, it's easier to change things that don't work, and more importantly what your state laws are better reflects what it's people want. It also means if you don't like the way things are done at the state level you can just pack your shit and leave to a state that's doing things the way you feel they ought to be done. In effect if you have shitty laws, your population and its money is going to move with it. If you have practical laws that suit the people well, you can expect success. Right now the hands of the states are tied by the federal government which is overstepping its bounds and encroaching on the rights of its citizens. If that were to happen with more independent states you can always say "Fuck off!" and leave. It is true that you can do that now and move to a new country, but not nearly as fucking easily. Basically states can better and more efficiently solve their problems and assert their laws to govern their problems.
less bureaucrats=more efficiency (time, money and productivity)
I said uneducated anti-federalists, and unless you don't consider yourself an educated anti-federalist, I suggest you stop taking things so personally.

The problem with your ideals:
A) It is more expensive and more difficult to move than you think it is.
B) The state right next door might view things differently, thereby creating major legal issues.
C) Federal mandates mean balls-to-shit.

I'd like to go into more detail, but it is 2am and must say, "Balls to this."

If you think I am being arrogant and pompous because I believe the majority of anti-federalists are foolish dolts who are living in a bygone era, I recommend you research time travel technology. We don't live in a nonindustrial America anymore.

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11-01-2013, 09:58 PM
RE: Why should prostitution be illegal?
(11-01-2013 06:51 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  I said uneducated anti-federalists, and unless you don't consider yourself an educated anti-federalist, I suggest you stop taking things so personally.

The problem with your ideals:
A) It is more expensive and more difficult to move than you think it is.
B) The state right next door might view things differently, thereby creating major legal issues.
C) Federal mandates mean balls-to-shit.

I'd like to go into more detail, but it is 2am and must say, "Balls to this."

If you think I am being arrogant and pompous because I believe the majority of anti-federalists are foolish dolts who are living in a bygone era, I recommend you research time travel technology. We don't live in a nonindustrial America anymore.
Fine, I'm educated and anti-federalist. There are just as many, if not more so uneducated folks from all political philosophies.

A.) I've moved about 10 times in the last 6 years, I know more that most.
B.) You break a state law in that state, you face the repercussions of that state. That's pretty fucking simple.
C.) Care to elaborate?

Last two sentences are just dumb. All political philosophies are pretty damn old, if you think my opinions are archaic and not practical then I suggest you do some reading. Inustrialized nations do not subvert the principals of individual liberties and smaller government.

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13-01-2013, 04:13 AM
RE: Why should prostitution be illegal?
(11-01-2013 06:16 PM)Diablo Wrote:  How are 50 sovereign states & 1 Fed less govt than 50 states with one superseding Fed govt?

Sounds about the same, if not more.

PS: You can move out of the US as well. It wouldn't be much different than moving to another state.


With fifty state governments, you can move to the state that appeals to you most. One giant fed government and it becomes a police state. Look at what we are seeing now with our fed. It is growiung at an alarming rate. We have super computers that listen for key words on every phone call. Predator drones that are now being used within our own borders. The fed sneaks stuff in with the promise that it won't be used in certain ways so they get the votes they need, then amend it to do what they wanted in the first place without another vote. I remember distinctly that seat belt used to not exist. The seat belt laws were first brought about with the promise that they would never be a primary offense. This got the votes they needed. Then I don't even think it was 3 months before they changed the law without another vote and made it a primary offense. They even started having check points where they check on only whether or not you have your seatbelt on. NJ used to not have any income tax. That came about by the governor at the time pleading with the people and promising that it would only be for 2 years to get caught up on debt. That didn't last 6 months before they changed it without a second vote and made it permanent. The patriot act. They made that up to supposedly watch terrorists. Now they use it to watch everyone. At least with independent state governments, we can slow it down. Maybe most of us can grow old and die before the fed takes over completely and we live in a country similar to every third world country out there. Of course you will all chalk this up to crazy conspiracy theories, but I know my history.
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13-01-2013, 04:48 AM
RE: Why should prostitution be illegal?
How did this turn into a debate over Ron Paul / US politics?

Can't we get back to complaining about the price of hookers?

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13-01-2013, 07:50 AM
RE: Why should prostitution be illegal?
(13-01-2013 04:13 AM)Birdguy1979 Wrote:  
(11-01-2013 06:16 PM)Diablo Wrote:  How are 50 sovereign states & 1 Fed less govt than 50 states with one superseding Fed govt?

Sounds about the same, if not more.

PS: You can move out of the US as well. It wouldn't be much different than moving to another state.


With fifty state governments, you can move to the state that appeals to you most. One giant fed government and it becomes a police state. Look at what we are seeing now with our fed. It is growiung at an alarming rate. We have super computers that listen for key words on every phone call. Predator drones that are now being used within our own borders. The fed sneaks stuff in with the promise that it won't be used in certain ways so they get the votes they need, then amend it to do what they wanted in the first place without another vote. I remember distinctly that seat belt used to not exist. The seat belt laws were first brought about with the promise that they would never be a primary offense. This got the votes they needed. Then I don't even think it was 3 months before they changed the law without another vote and made it a primary offense. They even started having check points where they check on only whether or not you have your seatbelt on. NJ used to not have any income tax. That came about by the governor at the time pleading with the people and promising that it would only be for 2 years to get caught up on debt. That didn't last 6 months before they changed it without a second vote and made it permanent. The patriot act. They made that up to supposedly watch terrorists. Now they use it to watch everyone. At least with independent state governments, we can slow it down. Maybe most of us can grow old and die before the fed takes over completely and we live in a country similar to every third world country out there. Of course you will all chalk this up to crazy conspiracy theories, but I know my history.
Or by having a strong federal government, we could be more like the happiest, most peaceful countries on earth, like Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland, and so on.

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13-01-2013, 07:01 PM
RE: Why should prostitution be illegal?
(13-01-2013 04:48 AM)DLJ Wrote:  How did this turn into a debate over Ron Paul / US politics?

Can't we get back to complaining about the price of hookers?

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Legal hookers in Nevada are way too expensive. I was watching some show on HBO show about a brothel in Nevada called Bunny Ranch or something, and they charged like three grand to have sex with these girls. And the brothel took HALF of the girls' money! WTF?!
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