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23-11-2012, 04:42 PM
RE: Why so much Satanism all over the forum?
(23-11-2012 11:46 AM)Pr0fanus Wrote:  
(23-11-2012 06:23 AM)Free Thought Wrote:  So, some would say emotion... What? Is it the method of harnessing the so far not defined energy?


Or is it the energy itself?

Either position makes no sense.
Emotion is the "energy". You don't think emotion can work as a source of power?


Emotion is not a source of power itself.

Emotions such as anger and fear cause the release of adrenaline, which allows the body to overclock it's own systems for a while, but its not really an energy, they are just names for chemical reactions..

The emotion itself it the more like the aftermath of a neurochemical reaction, but not the energy released. If anything, it is easier to describe emotions as side effects caused by the correct hormones has been released into circulation by said neurochemical reaction.

It can work as a source of motivation, but see above.


Believe it or not, but when you break everything down, it's all just chemicals, not a damn thing special between us, in spite of what our own arrogance tells us.

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23-11-2012, 05:14 PM
RE: Why so much Satanism all over the forum?
(23-11-2012 04:42 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  Believe it or not, but when you break everything down, it's all just chemicals, not a damn thing special between us, in spite of what our own arrogance tells us.

That's just the chemicals talking, silly. ... You should be alright in a day or two. Tongue

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23-11-2012, 05:28 PM
RE: Why so much Satanism all over the forum?
(23-11-2012 02:19 PM)Anjele Wrote:  
(23-11-2012 01:45 PM)Irishdize Wrote:  There are a few different ways.

1. When I go into a meditative state, I can hear my mom's voice inside my head answering my questions....
2. When I go into a trance state, I can have visions of my mom because when a person reaches a certain state, they begin to have audio and visual experiences, such as when a person goes into a sweat lodge and begins to have visions of their dead relatives or they see themselves on a journey or flying or whatever they see.
Both sound like hallucinations - not magic or ritual (unless we are talking magic mushrooms)...if you aren't comsuming something to cause that...then maybe an appointment with a medical professional is in order.

Nothing is in order, I am quite sane. Both are valid experiences within the frame work of Greater magic and ritual. I have suggested clients who are grieving to engage in the same behaviors in order to say what they needed to say to their lost loved ones, similar to writing a letter to a dead father and then mailing it, why do that? They are dead. Its therapeutic to the person who has written the letter.
Satanism and Shadakism both have fantasy elements within them that allow us to tap into our psyche at different levels, some are logical and rational levels and others are irrational and illogical and yet all of these methods work on some level, even if its just psychological.
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23-11-2012, 05:30 PM
RE: Why so much Satanism all over the forum?
(23-11-2012 02:22 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(23-11-2012 01:49 PM)Pr0fanus Wrote:  Then you're demonstrably wrong. I'm pretty sure my interactions with the world have an effect.
You are saying that your Rituals have a demonstrable effect on the world external to you?
The Rituals have a demonstratable effect on US which causes US to have an effect on the world external to us. Its not that complicated.
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23-11-2012, 05:34 PM
RE: Why so much Satanism all over the forum?
So what you are saying is:

"The self induced hallucinations don't have any tangible, physical effect on the world outside a the individuals psyche, unless we act to accordingly."

And being hallucinations, they are entirely in and restricted to the practitioners psyche anyway and their only effect comes about from a person experiencing them acting upon them.

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23-11-2012, 05:34 PM
RE: Why so much Satanism all over the forum?
(23-11-2012 02:19 PM)Anjele Wrote:  
(23-11-2012 01:45 PM)Irishdize Wrote:  There are a few different ways.

1. When I go into a meditative state, I can hear my mom's voice inside my head answering my questions....
2. When I go into a trance state, I can have visions of my mom because when a person reaches a certain state, they begin to have audio and visual experiences, such as when a person goes into a sweat lodge and begins to have visions of their dead relatives or they see themselves on a journey or flying or whatever they see.
Both sound like hallucinations - not magic or ritual (unless we are talking magic mushrooms)...if you aren't comsuming something to cause that...then maybe an appointment with a medical professional is in order.


By the way, there is a difference between a hallucination (which is seeing-for example-Two men who have broken into your home and are trying to kill you by throwing you out of a 2 story window) and imagining that this is happening and using that play acting (or psychodrama) to tap into a part of yourself such as your creative writing abilities during ritual.
Imagination is a KEY to Ritual. Visualization is another word for it, when i want to win money, I see myself going to the casino, putting money into the machine, hitting a button, I see myself winning, I jump up and down and see myself screaming that I won $1000, I then write down what I am going to spend it on, what bills mainly, I then spend the day telling everyone that I am going to have my bills paid very soon.
This changes my frame of mind when it comes to worrying about my bills and next time I am in the casino, I remember what i did in ritual so that i can make that image come true.
It is not hallucination in any sense of the word
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23-11-2012, 05:40 PM
RE: Why so much Satanism all over the forum?
(23-11-2012 02:28 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(23-11-2012 02:12 PM)Irishdize Wrote:  1. Its not a one sided conversation. I hear my mom's voice inside my head, I ask question and get answers either internally or externally through the dice.
OR
When I go into a trance state and actually see my mom or someone The conversations tend to be quite fascinating. You must look at a trance state like you would look at someone on magic mushrooms, when this person is in their drug induced state (trance is natural) they may see or hear things including dead relatives.
nar·cis·sism/ˈnärsəˌsizəm/

Noun:
  1. Excessive or erotic interest in oneself and one's physical appearance.
  2. Extreme selfishness, with a grandiose view of one's own talents and a craving for admiration.
I have no interest in myself in the sense that this word is implying or my physical appearance. I am also not selfish. I focus on my own needs and benefits first but I just handed out leftovers to needly families in the area, I have several boxes of clothes and food I am planning to hand out later today, I love to buy gifts for my friends and family and also for those in need in the community, its why I started the charity in 2009, I of course do wish to be the best that i can be in every aspect of my life but I do not view my own talents as being better or worse than anyone else, for example, i just finished watching 'chain of command' a Star Trek TNG episode in which Captain Picard is held prisoner and tortured by Cardassians, Patrick Stewert performance was stunning and I said to myself, wow, I dont even know if i could do that well-I do not think a narcissistic person would admit that his acting skills may not be as good as someone else. However, I do seek admiration, I think that most actors/writers and most people in general want to be accepted, loved, etc, i wont deny that.
Do you believe you are conversing with your mother (or her spirit/ghost/soul)?

I have no beliefs in souls, spirits or any supernaturalism. I am conversing with that part of my psyche where my mom's memory, thoughts, words dwell. when I burst into tears at her memory like I did yesterday, she died just last year and she was my best friend really and holidays are VERY hard for me still, I really was losing it for a while yesterday and I heard her voice *as she said to me before she died* dont cry hon, it will be ok, you are a strong person, you have to go on, you cant give up, I love you.
was she really there? No, thats why we call what we do in ritual, applied psychology and psychodrama. When I Visualize my mom being in the room with me, when I pretend that she is here and I talk to her, i am able to get words out that I never got a chance to say before she died, I can talk to her and I can hear her talk back just as I explained above, Its wonderful and I come out of the ritual feeling better and I have had a chance to grieve in a healthy way without falling apart.
That is one tecnique that I have used in my rituals, blood magic, visualizations, meditation, spirit dance, all of these things have a real effect on ME and then I can go out into the real world and show the world the effect it has had and make changes in the world because of what I went through in my rituals, I can also deal with clients a whole lot better, when a client comes to me and tells me that he is depressed and wants to die because his dad has cancer, I can relate and find ways that are healthy for him to work through this pain, which is my job. *This job is one of 3 I have, I also own a store and i am a writer/actor (though I am out of work at the moment and business is very slow at the store)
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23-11-2012, 05:43 PM
RE: Why so much Satanism all over the forum?
(23-11-2012 05:34 PM)Irishdize Wrote:  
(23-11-2012 02:19 PM)Anjele Wrote:  Both sound like hallucinations - not magic or ritual (unless we are talking magic mushrooms)...if you aren't comsuming something to cause that...then maybe an appointment with a medical professional is in order.


By the way, there is a difference between a hallucination (which is seeing-for example-Two men who have broken into your home and are trying to kill you by throwing you out of a 2 story window) and imagining that this is happening and using that play acting (or psychodrama) to tap into a part of yourself such as your creative writing abilities during ritual.
Imagination is a KEY to Ritual. Visualization is another word for it, when i want to win money, I see myself going to the casino, putting money into the machine, hitting a button, I see myself winning, I jump up and down and see myself screaming that I won $1000, I then write down what I am going to spend it on, what bills mainly, I then spend the day telling everyone that I am going to have my bills paid very soon.
This changes my frame of mind when it comes to worrying about my bills and next time I am in the casino, I remember what i did in ritual so that i can make that image come true.
It is not hallucination in any sense of the word

You're making this way harder than it needs to be, I'm telling you. Lysergic acid diethylamide, much like love, is all you need. Big Grin




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Your shadow at morning striding behind you
Or your shadow at evening rising to meet you;
I will show you fear in a handful of dust.
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23-11-2012, 05:45 PM
RE: Why so much Satanism all over the forum?
(23-11-2012 02:29 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(23-11-2012 02:12 PM)Irishdize Wrote:  1. Its not a one sided conversation. I hear my mom's voice inside my head, I ask question and get answers either internally or externally through the dice.
OR
When I go into a trance state and actually see my mom or someone The conversations tend to be quite fascinating. You must look at a trance state like you would look at someone on magic mushrooms, when this person is in their drug induced state (trance is natural) they may see or hear things including dead relatives.

Dude you're talking to a hippie here who was in his prime in the '70s. Still don't understand why you fucks just don't drop some acid instead of going through all this ritual rigamarole shit to get up to speed. Except for the dice, the fuck's up with that, some sorta Magic 8 Ball? It's a one-sided conversation, dude. Just cause you got 2 voices going on in yer head don't make it any less so.


You see Ritual and what happens inside it as work, I dont. I LOVE it, I come alive when I am in ritual and I feel great when I come out of it, thats why I dont drop acid and drop the rigamarole. also I am not into drugs and want to use my own brain when I am in my rituals, I rarely drink for the same reasons and I do not like the headaches that I get when I consume too much booze.
The die is a form of divination that relies on chaos theory and 'fate' as long as this word is understood as a fictional truth that is only to be used inside of Ritual for greater magic. The die on the outside of ritual is completely random, Id suggest looking up Luke Rhinehart or Diceliving for more information, Its a fascinating way to play with the odds of random chance and see where you end up.
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23-11-2012, 05:52 PM
RE: Why so much Satanism all over the forum?
(23-11-2012 05:34 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  So what you are saying is:

"The self induced hallucinations don't have any tangible, physical effect on the world outside a the individuals psyche, unless we act to accordingly."

And being hallucinations, they are entirely in and restricted to the practitioners psyche anyway and their only effect comes about from a person experiencing them acting upon them.
switch the word hallucination to Imagination and you have it.
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