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20-11-2012, 04:40 PM
RE: Why so much Satanism all over the forum?
(20-11-2012 02:36 PM)Pr0fanus Wrote:  
(20-11-2012 02:23 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  Whether or not they choose to call themselves a cult is their prerogative. They are still a cult, whether they like it or not. He has to accept the fact that his belief system is a cult before I can delve into the sociological incompatibilities and inconsistencies with Satanism.
You've yet to explain to me why it matters. In any meaningful (IMO) sense of the word, Satanism isn't a cult. If you choose to label it one, you'll have to do the same to pretty much any religion, political party, philosophical movement... I could go on. If this is the case, it doesn't really matter.
Religion and cult are interchangeable words. They are virtually identical in all aspects save social acceptance. The fact that you even equate religion and cult with politics and philosophy shows your misunderstanding of what a cult is.

One of the many principles of Sociology include resocialization with religious and occult worship.

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21-11-2012, 12:15 AM
RE: Why so much Satanism all over the forum?
(20-11-2012 04:40 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  
(20-11-2012 02:36 PM)Pr0fanus Wrote:  You've yet to explain to me why it matters. In any meaningful (IMO) sense of the word, Satanism isn't a cult. If you choose to label it one, you'll have to do the same to pretty much any religion, political party, philosophical movement... I could go on. If this is the case, it doesn't really matter.
Religion and cult are interchangeable words. They are virtually identical in all aspects save social acceptance. The fact that you even equate religion and cult with politics and philosophy shows your misunderstanding of what a cult is.

One of the many principles of Sociology include resocialization with religious and occult worship.


Are all Philosophies a cult?
or just Satanism?
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21-11-2012, 12:38 AM
RE: Why so much Satanism all over the forum?
(21-11-2012 12:15 AM)Irishdize Wrote:  
(20-11-2012 04:40 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  Religion and cult are interchangeable words. They are virtually identical in all aspects save social acceptance. The fact that you even equate religion and cult with politics and philosophy shows your misunderstanding of what a cult is.

One of the many principles of Sociology include resocialization with religious and occult worship.


Are all Philosophies a cult?
or just Satanism?
He never said that it was just Satanism, nor that it was all philosophies. Plus, I doubt anybody would accept such a preposterous dichotomy as you have provided here.





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</iframe>Definition of CULT

1
: formal religious veneration : worship
2
: a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
3
: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
4
: a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults>
5
a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fadb : the object of such devotionc : a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion

Seems like Satanism fits into the definition quite well, as well as other philosophies, but just because one philosophy fits doesn't mean ALL do.

That's a composition fallacy.

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21-11-2012, 01:11 AM
RE: Why so much Satanism all over the forum?
(21-11-2012 12:38 AM)Atothetheist Wrote:  
(21-11-2012 12:15 AM)Irishdize Wrote:  Are all Philosophies a cult?
or just Satanism?
He never said that it was just Satanism, nor that it was all philosophies. Plus, I doubt anybody would accept such a preposterous dichotomy as you have provided here.






Definition of CULT

1
: formal religious veneration : worship
2
: a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
3
: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
4
: a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator
5
a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fadb : the object of such devotionc : a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion

Seems like Satanism fits into the definition quite well, as well as other philosophies, but just because one philosophy fits doesn't mean ALL do.

That's a composition fallacy.


Satanism fits into 3, yes, but does a definition like that matter? Logica is clearly trying to say that Satanism is a cult and therefore bad, but with this definition that doesn't follow. Also, many political parties fit in rather nicely to 5.
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21-11-2012, 01:14 AM
RE: Why so much Satanism all over the forum?
(20-11-2012 04:40 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  
(20-11-2012 02:36 PM)Pr0fanus Wrote:  You've yet to explain to me why it matters. In any meaningful (IMO) sense of the word, Satanism isn't a cult. If you choose to label it one, you'll have to do the same to pretty much any religion, political party, philosophical movement... I could go on. If this is the case, it doesn't really matter.
Religion and cult are interchangeable words. They are virtually identical in all aspects save social acceptance. The fact that you even equate religion and cult with politics and philosophy shows your misunderstanding of what a cult is.

One of the many principles of Sociology include resocialization with religious and occult worship.
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21-11-2012, 02:29 AM
Why so much Satanism all over the forum?
So, how much did you say these dictionaries are again? $200?

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21-11-2012, 01:00 PM
RE: Why so much Satanism all over the forum?
(21-11-2012 01:11 AM)Pr0fanus Wrote:  
(21-11-2012 12:38 AM)Atothetheist Wrote:  He never said that it was just Satanism, nor that it was all philosophies. Plus, I doubt anybody would accept such a preposterous dichotomy as you have provided here.






Definition of CULT

1
: formal religious veneration : worship
2
: a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
3
: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
4
: a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator
5
a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fadb : the object of such devotionc : a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion

Seems like Satanism fits into the definition quite well, as well as other philosophies, but just because one philosophy fits doesn't mean ALL do.

That's a composition fallacy.


Satanism fits into 3, yes, but does a definition like that matter? Logica is clearly trying to say that Satanism is a cult and therefore bad, but with this definition that doesn't follow. Also, many political parties fit in rather nicely to 5.
It also fits into definitions 1,2, and 5 as well. Do you not worship yourselves and treat the human with veneration? Is yourself not with Satanism is about?

Logica, I think, is implying that there is no such need as Satanism because it is unnecessary and rather useless.

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21-11-2012, 01:46 PM
RE: Why so much Satanism all over the forum?
(21-11-2012 01:00 PM)Atothetheist Wrote:  
(21-11-2012 01:11 AM)Pr0fanus Wrote:  Satanism fits into 3, yes, but does a definition like that matter? Logica is clearly trying to say that Satanism is a cult and therefore bad, but with this definition that doesn't follow. Also, many political parties fit in rather nicely to 5.
It also fits into definitions 1,2, and 5 as well. Do you not worship yourselves and treat the human with veneration? Is yourself not with Satanism is about?

Logica, I think, is implying that there is no such need as Satanism because it is unnecessary and rather useless.
"formal religious veneration" implies dogma, which Satanism doesn't have. Roughly the same with 2. 5 is a bit questionable on this use, because it's not really referring to a religion, but something like a movie or a band, mainly.

How is whether Satanism is a cult or not in any way related to that? Furthermore, I would argue that Satanism is very useful. For instance, Satanism can work as self-manipulation, allowing you to control and work with your emotions and weaknesses to achieve what you want to be.
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21-11-2012, 02:13 PM
RE: Why so much Satanism all over the forum?
(21-11-2012 01:00 PM)Atothetheist Wrote:  
(21-11-2012 01:11 AM)Pr0fanus Wrote:  Satanism fits into 3, yes, but does a definition like that matter? Logica is clearly trying to say that Satanism is a cult and therefore bad, but with this definition that doesn't follow. Also, many political parties fit in rather nicely to 5.
It also fits into definitions 1,2, and 5 as well. Do you not worship yourselves and treat the human with veneration? Is yourself not with Satanism is about?

Logica, I think, is implying that there is no such need as Satanism because it is unnecessary and rather useless.

Worship is the wrong word. I put myself first, I exalt myself in the sense that I am #1 before all others, I do what suits me best, what benefits me and then I worry about those in my circle and then maybe If Im inclined to do so I look after others.
Human beings to me are animals, we are no better than 4 legged animals so there is no veneration, we simply make sure that we are taken care of, that our needs are met.
#5? Everyone fits in that category including atheists, Im sure that there is some actor or author or type of food or political candidate or movie or tv show or whatever that most people cant get enough of, I am a star trek fanatic and I love charmed, does that mean I am a charmism and a trekism? I worship Tasha Yar?
I dont subscribe to the definition that all religions are cults, as I already pointed out earlier, dictionaries dont adequetly describe everything such as Witches, a cult to me is a small group of people like Jim Jones where there is a leader who controls his followers and all of that but thats ME and my understanding of the word, you have a right to your opinion.
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21-11-2012, 02:46 PM
RE: Why so much Satanism all over the forum?
(21-11-2012 02:13 PM)Irishdize Wrote:  Worship is the wrong word. I put myself first, I exalt myself in the sense that I am #1 before all others, I do what suits me best, what benefits me and then I worry about those in my circle and then maybe If Im inclined to do so I look after others.

Meh, worship, exalt, same fucking thing. But the fuck if I need rituals and incense to do that. Just feels natural to me. Don't need no bullshit framework invented by some other fucker, I am perfectly capable of formulating my own thankyouverymuch. And nihilism seems a more serious philosophy to me than dancing naked under a full moon tripping my gourd out (not that it isn't fun Big Grin ).

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