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06-01-2017, 03:00 AM
Why the Bible states that the value of Pi = 3
Some creationists say the funniest things.

I encountered one the other day who stated that the Bible contains NO inaccuracies.

Okay........so I asked him about the Bible defining the value of Pi as being equal to 3.

His response? "Did hebrews have decimal places in their language at that time? No they did not so your argument is based on inaccurate information."

I'm guessing he doesn't realise that the ancient Greeks and Egyptians had it worked out to several decimal places hundreds of years before the OT was written.

So an omnipresent, omniscient god allowed Greeks and Egyptians to figure this out but failed to pass it on to his chosen people?

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06-01-2017, 03:14 AM
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Omnis had their limits it seem: And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. Apparently iron chariots aren't only limiter of god power.

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06-01-2017, 05:04 AM
RE: Why the Bible states that the value of Pi = 3
(06-01-2017 03:00 AM)Silly Deity Wrote:  Some creationists say the funniest things.

I encountered one the other day who stated that the Bible contains NO inaccuracies.

Okay........so I asked him about the Bible defining the value of Pi as being equal to 3.

His response? "Did hebrews have decimal places in their language at that time? No they did not so your argument is based on inaccurate information."

I'm guessing he doesn't realise that the ancient Greeks and Egyptians had it worked out to several decimal places hundreds of years before the OT was written.

So an omnipresent, omniscient god allowed Greeks and Egyptians to figure this out but failed to pass it on to his chosen people?

The "standard" apologetic for that is that the pi=3.0 thing was not a statement of pi, but only a description of a well, which was approximately 30 units around and 10 units across... at a time when units were measured in "as long as my forearm" (cubits). Not exactly the sort of measurement system that lends itself to precision!

On the other hand, it does show that the Hebrews of that time did not use the sort of precision that the Romans would later use to constuct (for instance) the viaducts.

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06-01-2017, 05:09 AM
RE: Why the Bible states that the value of Pi = 3
(06-01-2017 03:14 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  Omnis had their limits it seem: And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. Apparently iron chariots aren't only limiter of god power.

I'd like to see the modern version:

And the LORD was with Netanyahu ; and he drove out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had American-made M1A2 Abrams Main Battle Tanks with the System Enhancement Package (SEP) installed.

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06-01-2017, 06:20 AM
RE: Why the Bible states that the value of Pi = 3
(06-01-2017 05:04 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  The "standard" apologetic for that is that the pi=3.0 thing was not a statement of pi, but only a description of a well, which was approximately 30 units around and 10 units across... at a time when units were measured in "as long as my forearm" (cubits). Not exactly the sort of measurement system that lends itself to precision!

On the other hand, it does show that the Hebrews of that time did not use the sort of precision that the Romans would later use to constuct (for instance) the viaducts.

The problem with the "standard" apologetic is that if it's accepted that the Bible is human-written and imprecise at best, then the basis disappears for using the Bible as a guide to the age of the earth, "medicine", or anything requiring accuracy.

For those biblical literalists any apologetics are surely an admission of failure?

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06-01-2017, 06:33 AM
RE: Why the Bible states that the value of Pi = 3
(06-01-2017 05:09 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  
(06-01-2017 03:14 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  Omnis had their limits it seem: And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. Apparently iron chariots aren't only limiter of god power.

I'd like to see the modern version:

And the LORD was with Netanyahu ; and he drove out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had American-made M1A2 Abrams Main Battle Tanks with the System Enhancement Package (SEP) installed.

And the lord could not escape out of the valley because of the close air support from the flying Warthogs and thus was cut to shreds by the Warthog's mighty guns.

How it should have ended....

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06-01-2017, 06:37 AM
RE: Why the Bible states that the value of Pi = 3
(06-01-2017 06:20 AM)Silly Deity Wrote:  
(06-01-2017 05:04 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  The "standard" apologetic for that is that the pi=3.0 thing was not a statement of pi, but only a description of a well, which was approximately 30 units around and 10 units across... at a time when units were measured in "as long as my forearm" (cubits). Not exactly the sort of measurement system that lends itself to precision!

On the other hand, it does show that the Hebrews of that time did not use the sort of precision that the Romans would later use to constuct (for instance) the viaducts.

The problem with the "standard" apologetic is that if it's accepted that the Bible is human-written and imprecise at best, then the basis disappears for using the Bible as a guide to the age of the earth, "medicine", or anything requiring accuracy.

For those biblical literalists any apologetics are surely an admission of failure?

That would be the point that you would have to press, it's not that apologists have a ready made excuse for biblical failings, it's that the bible does not reflect precise or even useful information. If you can't use the bible's numbers to build something as simple as a well, you sure as hell wouldn't want to use it as a guide to life.

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06-01-2017, 07:00 AM
RE: Why the Bible states that the value of Pi = 3
(06-01-2017 06:33 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  
(06-01-2017 05:09 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  I'd like to see the modern version:

And the LORD was with Netanyahu ; and he drove out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had American-made M1A2 Abrams Main Battle Tanks with the System Enhancement Package (SEP) installed.

And the lord could not escape out of the valley because of the close air support from the flying Warthogs and thus was cut to shreds by the Warthog's mighty guns.

How it should have ended....

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06-01-2017, 07:07 AM
RE: Why the Bible states that the value of Pi = 3
I got my sister to bake me an apple pie for my birthday once, in a square pan.............

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My niece and nephew looked at this pie, with puzzled looks.....

What'sa matter? I asked... Didn't you know pie are square????

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They didn't get it....Too young.........

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Timing... comedy is all about timing.....

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06-01-2017, 07:12 AM
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(06-01-2017 07:07 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  What'sa matter? I asked... Didn't you know pie are square????

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