Why the hell is William Lane Craig considered the best Christian Apologist?
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04-09-2014, 08:02 AM
RE: Why the hell is William Lane Craig considered the best Christian Apologist?
(02-09-2014 02:45 PM)Simon Moon Wrote:  His best tactic as I see it, is his obfuscating language in his version of the Cosmological Argument.

It's still fallacious, but fools his followers

A lot of those followers don't need to be fooled; they're looking to be told what they want to hear. He barely has to pick his feet up off the ground to clear the bar they've set for him.

Back when I was in highschool (and still Christian), I remembered hearing an argument from a Christian (to a largely 8th-grade educated group of Amish) that embarrassed me. He said something to the effect of "A human and a chimp have 97% of the same DNA*. A watermelon is made of 97% water and a cloud is 100% water. Are you saying that a watermelon missed being a cloud by three percent?"

Even as a Christian, I was shocked at how stupid that argument was. If you complain about evolution to people who don't understand it, you don't have to try very hard. They already hate it and they'll agree with pretty much any complaints you levy.


*I thought it was actually much higher.
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04-09-2014, 10:07 AM
RE: Why the hell is William Lane Craig considered the best Christian Apologist?
(04-09-2014 08:02 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  
(02-09-2014 02:45 PM)Simon Moon Wrote:  His best tactic as I see it, is his obfuscating language in his version of the Cosmological Argument.

It's still fallacious, but fools his followers

A lot of those followers don't need to be fooled; they're looking to be told what they want to hear. He barely has to pick his feet up off the ground to clear the bar they've set for him.

Back when I was in highschool (and still Christian), I remembered hearing an argument from a Christian (to a largely 8th-grade educated group of Amish) that embarrassed me. He said something to the effect of "A human and a chimp have 97% of the same DNA*. A watermelon is made of 97% water and a cloud is 100% water. Are you saying that a watermelon missed being a cloud by three percent?"

Even as a Christian, I was shocked at how stupid that argument was. If you complain about evolution to people who don't understand it, you don't have to try very hard. They already hate it and they'll agree with pretty much any complaints you levy.


*I thought it was actually much higher.

Aren't humans like 70% water?

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04-09-2014, 10:55 AM
RE: Why the hell is William Lane Craig considered the best Christian Apologist?
Something like that.
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05-09-2014, 01:17 AM (This post was last modified: 05-09-2014 01:40 AM by Dark Phoenix.)
RE: Why the hell is William Lane Craig considered the best Christian Apologist?
(03-09-2014 07:11 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  I don't want to believe it, but I have no choice. I cannot refute Sye Ten's arguments.

No problem. I can.

The core of presuppostionalism is the questioning of foundational beliefs as valid. They issue challenges for their opponents to give reasons demonstrating the validity of properly basic beliefs such as that the rules of logic are valid, and our sense are reliable. When their opponents cannot do this without reasoning in a circle, in other words providing reasons for reason, they present their own justification, their god. They posit that foundational beliefs can only be assumed true because god.

The death blow to this feeble argument is in not being tricked by its dishonest deployment. The challenge issued by the presuppositionalist is IMPOSSIBLE and they already know it. They cannot do it either.

In order to posit their deity as the catalyst for the validity of foundational beliefs, they have already assumed those beliefs are valid independent from their god concept, and are already engaged in reason. They are arguing in a circle, attempting to give reasons for the validity of reason not yet established.

My response to this argument is, put up or shut up. If you can't give an accounting of your reasoning either, which you are using to posit many details and characteristics of your god, and you still expect someone else to do it, you are engaged in hypocrisy.

If you still have a problem with foundational beliefs, such as you still believe they require justification, I invite you to live your life without assuming them. What are you going to do now? You can't reason any more, trust your senses, believe in reality, or even in your own existence. I suppose you just sit and wait to die of starvation.

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06-09-2014, 05:13 PM
RE: Why the hell is William Lane Craig considered the best Christian Apologist?
(03-09-2014 09:20 PM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  
(03-09-2014 07:11 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  I don't want to believe it, but I have no choice. I cannot refute Sye Ten's arguments.

But you already did

I did not. I did this:
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06-09-2014, 05:40 PM
RE: Why the hell is William Lane Craig considered the best Christian Apologist?
(06-09-2014 05:13 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(03-09-2014 09:20 PM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  But you already did

I did not. I did this:
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You realise that destroys your argument far worse than it does ours right?

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06-09-2014, 08:12 PM
RE: Why the hell is William Lane Craig considered the best Christian Apologist?
(06-09-2014 05:40 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(06-09-2014 05:13 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  I did not. I did this:
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You realise that destroys your argument far worse than it does ours right?

I have already explained to him that anyone who believes in the brain in the jar cannot possibly believe in god at the same time.

The brain in the jar is a nihilist argument, not a Christian one. But did he listen? Nooooo.


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06-09-2014, 10:47 PM
RE: Why the hell is William Lane Craig considered the best Christian Apologist?
He's a joke without a punchline. Sad, poorly formed, and of no use or value.

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06-09-2014, 10:58 PM
RE: Why the hell is William Lane Craig considered the best Christian Apologist?
(06-09-2014 08:12 PM)Shadow Fox Wrote:  
(06-09-2014 05:40 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  You realise that destroys your argument far worse than it does ours right?

I have already explained to him that anyone who believes in the brain in the jar cannot possibly believe in god at the same time.

The brain in the jar is a nihilist argument, not a Christian one. But did he listen? Nooooo.

That's cause Diddo97 isn't here for debate or insight, he's just a boring attention whore. Drinking Beverage

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07-09-2014, 03:18 AM
RE: Why the hell is William Lane Craig considered the best Christian Apologist?
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God doesn't solve any problem that Sye gives us. He only shifts it backwards.

If somebody points out a fallacy, and you call fallacy fallacy, that doesn't mean you are right. That just means you committed the very fallacy you accused your opponent of.
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