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09-01-2015, 02:47 PM
RE: Why would God Need Angels?
(09-01-2015 01:39 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  Aren't all the angels naked?

I thought just the fat baby ones were naked but the adult ones are in robes - white, of course.

I don't recall many middle or high school aged angels in pics - that's not really surprising though. Evil hormone-laden creatures that they are.

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09-01-2015, 03:07 PM
RE: Why would God Need Angels?
(09-01-2015 01:39 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  Aren't all the angels naked?

Some cover themselves with pot leaves.

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15-01-2015, 07:29 PM (This post was last modified: 15-01-2015 07:33 PM by AlephBet.)
RE: Why would God Need Angels?
YOU ASKED: "Why can’t god speak with a voice inside someone’s mind? Why are angels necessary? This makes absolutely no sense, is god just giving angels busy work so they don’t rebel again?"

The Upanishads answer this. There is no one to talk to. We are all one self divided. We see individuation. God is what was divided into multiple minds. The Son of God is the Self of all beings. Yahweh is the Ego. Satan is the conscience / accuser. The voice you have that is the intellect seeing yourself as individual is actually one being. Freedom from the individuation is self-realization. Once a person is self-realized, the lower mind returns to the higher. From this, speak and hear as you do here. Your Son (mind), like Issac, was not a sacrifice. God never intended to take it.

It will remain here as long as the Ego rules the self. When God is the authority, we are one, or At One Ment (Atonement). Atoning for our will to take is recognition of the Self in all. Love others as yourself.

Why Angels? Your consciousness is separated from God (Supreme Self) until humility. Pride separates and God allows you to rule. Judgement comes by the adversary (destroyer) and accuser (conscience). Born of water or Spirit. Spirit remembers and can speak.

Messengers are necessary to help reveal the process. We could never know God apart from faith. It would be like a quark knowing a human. We are not sufficiently clothed yet (robe) or minded (crown) to conceptualize. We must have symbols in an image first. Holiness brings us to the throne. Once there, we are robed and crowned to sense what was previously hidden. Why do we use packets of information between a modem and computer with wifi? Can't you read the signal from the air?

When God speaks (OM), a universe appears. A messenger is necessary.
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15-01-2015, 07:34 PM
RE: Why would God Need Angels?
(09-01-2015 02:47 PM)Anjele Wrote:  I thought just the fat baby ones were naked but the adult ones are in robes - white, of course.

I don't recall many middle or high school aged angels in pics - that's not really surprising though. Evil hormone-laden creatures that they are.

We gave my sister THE ugliest fat-baby angel ("putti") chandelier as a house warming present as a joke. She still has it hanging in her condo. Weeping

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16-01-2015, 04:21 AM
RE: Why would God Need Angels?
(07-01-2015 09:33 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  Angels, why does god need so much help?

A thread about guardian angels got me thinking, why does god need angels?

When you view angels in the context that every time they are used, it’s an admission that god can’t or won’t do something himself.
With that viewpoint, it’s quite interesting going through the bible and seeing what angels are tasked to do, going to Christiansnawers.net, they show several examples of what angels are sent to do.

Quote:• Worship and praise—This is the main activity portrayed in heaven (Isaiah 6:1-3; Revelation 4-5).

Why? I thought that’s what humans were for. Maybe he wanted automatons to worship him, but with a very famous angel that fell from heaven, they apparently aren’t automatons either and god once again screws up and creates beings that rebel against him.

Quote:Messengers—They serve as messengers to communicate God’s will to men. They helped reveal the law to Moses (Acts 7:52-53), and served as the carriers of much of the material in Daniel, and Revelation.

Why can’t god speak with a voice inside someone’s mind? Why are angels necessary? This makes absolutely no sense, is god just giving angels busy work so they don’t rebel again?

Quote:Guiding—Angels gave instructions to Joseph about the birth of Jesus (Matthew 1-2), to the women at the tomb, to Philip (Acts 8:26), and to Cornelius (Acts 10:1-8).

Again, WTF is this necessary when he could easily communicate directly to a mind?

Quote:• Providing—God has used angels to provide physical needs such as food for Hagar (Genesis 21:17-20), Elijah (1 Kings 19:6), and Christ after His temptation (Matthew 4:11).

Why couldn’t god simply “poof” food in front of people without using angels? Remember all of that creating stuff he did in Genesis? So he can’t even whip up a pizza now?

He wouldn’t even go to Jesus himself! He sent an angel instead! Seriously, WTF is god’s problem when he won’t even go to his own incarnated self? He sends a freakin’ servant to his own son!

Doesn't really support the idea that this god is personal does it?

Quote:Protecting—Keeping God’s people out of physical danger, as in the cases of Daniel and the lions, and his three friends in the fiery furnace (Daniel 3 and 6).

Why were they even in danger in the first place? Why not change the King’s mind so he doesn’t put him in the fiery furnace to begin with? Hello? Remember the Pharoah in Exodus?

Quote:• Delivering—Getting God’s people out of danger once they’re in it. Angels released the apostles from prison in Acts 5, and repeated the process for Peter in Acts 12.

Seriously? God can’t even unlock a door by himself? I guess he never leveled up his lock picking abilities to do this.

Quote:Strengthening and encouraging—Angels strengthened Jesus after His temptation (Matt 4:11), encouraged the apostles to keep preaching after releasing them from prison (Acts 5:19-20), and told Paul that everyone on his ship would survive the impending shipwreck (Acts 27:23-25).

Again, you won’t minister to your own son? What an ass!

Encouraging to keep preaching? God won’t do this directly? God can’t communicate directly?

Quote:Answering prayer—God often uses angels as His means of answering the prayers of His people (Daniel 9:20-24; 10:10-12; Acts 12:1-17).

So; according to bible myth, we should be praying to angels, because god never answers prayer, it’s his angels that actually do it. What if you ask for something that an angel doesn't have the power to do, but god wants it done? Guess your out of luck, sorry holocaust victims!

Quote:Caring for believers at the moment of death—In the story of Lazarus and the rich man, we read that angels carried the spirit of Lazarus to “Abraham’s bosom” when he died (Luke 16:22).

Wouldn’t it be nice if god himself actually did this, nope you get angel #7,345,666; Cherubim class, to take care of this duty.

How does this square with a personal god?

Quote:Executioners—Angels are sometimes used by God to punish sin. An angel of the Lord went forth and smote an Assyrian camp (2 Kings 19:20-34)—“behold, they were all dead corpses.” The Assyrian army was annihilated. A destroying angel was sent, but later withheld, to punish David for his vanity in taking a census of the great number of his people. At the time of Moses and the Exodus, the Egyptian firstborn where killed by an angel of death.

Oh yeah, god doesn’t do the dirty work himself, he sends angels to do the wetwork, I guess courage isn't one of his attributes, omnichickenshit is part of his nature.

Too bad he didn’t send those angels to do any of this when Hitler was marching his chosen people into ovens. Oh well, mysterious ways and all…….

So we can conclude that god does not deal with any of his affairs personally, apparently in direct conflict with his omnipresent capabilities.

He lacks the will or the power to do even the simplest of tasks. His lack is the antithesis of omnipotent, omnipresent or omniscient.

God can't even make a pizza! No

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16-01-2015, 06:52 AM (This post was last modified: 16-01-2015 06:57 AM by darkmatter.)
RE: Why would God Need Angels?
Bah. For all I care, it is the angel who impregnated Mary. So much for virgin birth.

The only way you can do it is by artificial insemination.

Why else would an angel send his quote Message unquote at night?
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16-01-2015, 07:05 AM
RE: Why would God Need Angels?
(16-01-2015 06:52 AM)darkmatter Wrote:  Bah. For all I care, it is the angel who impregnated Mary. So much for virgin birth.

The only way you can do it is by artificial insemination.

Why else would an angel send his quote Message unquote at night?

Why would you assume that your limitation is God's? I would assume that God could have used Adam's DNA (male side) for Mary, just as the Lord used the female side of Adam to form eve. Jesus was called the first and last Adam in 1 Corinthians 15. It only makes sense that Adam's other side was used for Mary.

DNA is information (Seed). God is the one that holds the book of life. No restrictions for him as far as I can infer.
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16-01-2015, 07:57 AM
RE: Why would God Need Angels?
(16-01-2015 07:05 AM)AlephBet Wrote:  
(16-01-2015 06:52 AM)darkmatter Wrote:  Bah. For all I care, it is the angel who impregnated Mary. So much for virgin birth.

The only way you can do it is by artificial insemination.

Why else would an angel send his quote Message unquote at night?

Why would you assume that your limitation is God's? I would assume that God could have used Adam's DNA (male side) for Mary, just as the Lord used the female side of Adam to form eve. Jesus was called the first and last Adam in 1 Corinthians 15. It only makes sense that Adam's other side was used for Mary.

DNA is information (Seed). God is the one that holds the book of life. No restrictions for him as far as I can infer.

Why not just use Jesus' DNA? God could have took sperm from Jesus' future self and impregnated Mary. Or hell, why not just use David's DNA and Jehova's wife's DNA?

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16-01-2015, 06:01 PM
RE: Why would God Need Angels?
(16-01-2015 07:05 AM)AlephBet Wrote:  
(16-01-2015 06:52 AM)darkmatter Wrote:  Bah. For all I care, it is the angel who impregnated Mary. So much for virgin birth.

The only way you can do it is by artificial insemination.

Why else would an angel send his quote Message unquote at night?

Why would you assume that your limitation is God's? I would assume that God could have used Adam's DNA (male side) for Mary, just as the Lord used the female side of Adam to form eve. Jesus was called the first and last Adam in 1 Corinthians 15. It only makes sense that Adam's other side was used for Mary.

DNA is information (Seed). God is the one that holds the book of life. No restrictions for him as far as I can infer.

Lol. That whole Adam and Eve story is the dumbest ever. So this idiot deity can't make another human out of dirt he's gotta use a rib. Funny how you want to use science to make the story work but then suspend all reality for other parts of the tale. Whatever works for ya, hu?

If one were to make another human out of a rib you'd have a clone of the person and actually most people would consider the clone to be the son or daughter of the original , certainly not someone to reproduce with. Yuck. Ick. Shocking

The incest in the bible is absolutely immoral.

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16-01-2015, 06:04 PM
RE: Why would God Need Angels?
(16-01-2015 06:52 AM)darkmatter Wrote:  Bah. For all I care, it is the angel who impregnated Mary. So much for virgin birth.

The only way you can do it is by artificial insemination.

Why else would an angel send his quote Message unquote at night?

Oh, those angels are horney little devils, aren't they AngelSleepyEvil_monster

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