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29-10-2014, 04:48 PM
RE: Why you choose to not believe?
(29-10-2014 04:40 PM)Anjele Wrote:  I don't believe in unicorns either though it would be really cool to see one. And, if I ever do see one - I will believe in them. 'Cause - proof...not choice.

Unicorns are more plausible than gods. A rhinoceros has a single horn. Plenty of horse like creatures have evolved (horses, donkeys, zebras). It is plausible that a unicorn could have evolved if things turned out differently. Or maybe genetic modification could eventually create a unicorn from a horse?

But because there is no evidence of a unicorn ever existing then this alone is enough to lack a belief in their existence.

It is not plausible though that a god could exist because it would violate a lot of what we know to be true based on scientific evidence. So there's even less reason to believe in the existence of a god.
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29-10-2014, 04:49 PM
RE: Why you choose to not believe?
(29-10-2014 04:28 PM)Switz5678 Wrote:  I can understand the obvious flaws in all the mainstream religious belief systems. What I can't understand is why the choice to believe in a Godless universe without the chance of afterlife? or even an afterlife without a God entity?
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I guess my basic line of reasoning can be summed up as follows..

-We're unable to discern a method to establish the likelihood of one, or the other.
-I see life/living as preferable to death/nonexisting.
-In the absence of the ability to discern possibility/probability you should choose what makes you most happy.

My end game from this would be that its rational to believe, and not rational to not believe.
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Anyways, I'm interested in hearing your views


No evidence for god or gods. Don't want an afterlife. Living for eternity would be worse than hell. Ick.

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Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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29-10-2014, 04:51 PM
RE: Why you choose to not believe?
(29-10-2014 04:28 PM)Switz5678 Wrote:  What I can't understand is why the choice to believe in a Godless universe without the chance of afterlife?

Are you saying that you chose to believe in a god and an afterlife because you wanted it to be true rather than because you thought it actually was?

So really you are admitting that you are deliberately fooling yourself?
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29-10-2014, 04:52 PM
RE: Why you choose to not believe?
(29-10-2014 04:48 PM)Mathilda Wrote:  
(29-10-2014 04:40 PM)Anjele Wrote:  I don't believe in unicorns either though it would be really cool to see one. And, if I ever do see one - I will believe in them. 'Cause - proof...not choice.

Unicorns are more plausible than gods. A rhinoceros has a single horn. Plenty of horse like creatures have evolved (horses, donkeys, zebras). It is plausible that a unicorn could have evolved if things turned out differently. Or maybe genetic modification could eventually create a unicorn from a horse?

But because there is no evidence of a unicorn ever existing then this alone is enough to lack a belief in their existence.

It is not plausible though that a god could exist because it would violate a lot of what we know to be true based on scientific evidence. So there's even less reason to believe in the existence of a god.

Yeah, I realize that my unicorn sighting is much more likely.

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29-10-2014, 04:54 PM
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Quote: What I can't understand is why the choice to believe in a Godless universe without the chance of afterlife?


And if you believe in it and it is all bullshit do you think it will happen?

Do you still clap for Tinkerbelle, too?

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29-10-2014, 04:54 PM
RE: Why you choose to not believe?
Jackson the God-Slayer is the reason I don't believe.

“You see… sometimes life gives you lemons. And when that happens… you need to find some spell that makes lemons explode, because lemons are terrible. I only ate them once and I can say with certainty they are the worst fruit. If life gave me lemons, I would view it as nothing short of a declaration of war."
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29-10-2014, 04:55 PM
RE: Why you choose to not believe?
(29-10-2014 04:28 PM)Switz5678 Wrote:  What I can't understand is why the choice to believe in a Godless universe without the chance of afterlife? or even an afterlife without a God entity?

An afterlife presumes dualism. Dualism is untenable and incoherent. Many have tried. All have failed. But have a go at it if you like.

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29-10-2014, 04:59 PM
RE: Why you choose to not believe?
(29-10-2014 04:28 PM)Switz5678 Wrote:  I can understand the obvious flaws in all the mainstream religious belief systems. What I can't understand is why the choice to believe in a Godless universe without the chance of afterlife? or even an afterlife without a God entity?
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I guess my basic line of reasoning can be summed up as follows..

-We're unable to discern a method to establish the likelihood of one, or the other.
-I see life/living as preferable to death/nonexisting.
-In the absence of the ability to discern possibility/probability you should choose what makes you most happy.

My end game from this would be that its rational to believe, and not rational to not believe.
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Anyways, I'm interested in hearing your views

I am not sure if anyone has said this before yet, as I have not read anything beyond your post, BUT!, Belief is not a choice.


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29-10-2014, 04:59 PM
RE: Why you choose to not believe?
(29-10-2014 04:40 PM)Anjele Wrote:  I don't believe in unicorns either though it would be really cool to see one. And, if I ever do see one - I will believe in them. 'Cause - proof...not choice.

Bad example. Unicorns exist. I've seen them and they are fabulous.

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29-10-2014, 05:01 PM
RE: Why you choose to not believe?
(29-10-2014 04:59 PM)Shadow Fox Wrote:  
(29-10-2014 04:28 PM)Switz5678 Wrote:  I can understand the obvious flaws in all the mainstream religious belief systems. What I can't understand is why the choice to believe in a Godless universe without the chance of afterlife? or even an afterlife without a God entity?
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I guess my basic line of reasoning can be summed up as follows..

-We're unable to discern a method to establish the likelihood of one, or the other.
-I see life/living as preferable to death/nonexisting.
-In the absence of the ability to discern possibility/probability you should choose what makes you most happy.

My end game from this would be that its rational to believe, and not rational to not believe.
---------------------------------------

Anyways, I'm interested in hearing your views

I am not sure if anyone has said this before yet, as I have not read anything beyond your post, BUT!, Belief is not a choice.

Please refer to post #8.

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