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31-12-2013, 09:27 AM
RE: Wicca, LDS, Scientology, and "mainstream" Christianity
(31-12-2013 09:05 AM)Chas Wrote:  This is.

Nah. anthropomorphizing an event does not fill the bill.
Now if the elk granted an interview to PBS in order to explain its motives...

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31-12-2013, 10:07 AM
RE: Wicca, LDS, Scientology, and "mainstream" Christianity
(31-12-2013 09:05 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(31-12-2013 03:52 AM)Kestrel Wrote:  What the hell is an altruistic animal?
Huh

This is.

Jackpot!

@Alla: I think one of the tricks these religions use is to come up with a fancy name for something ordinary. Then people start calling rare occurrances miracles. Not even rare occurrances, coincidences. Alla, look past the bullshit.

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31-12-2013, 10:14 AM
RE: Wicca, LDS, Scientology, and "mainstream" Christianity
(31-12-2013 09:27 AM)Kestrel Wrote:  
(31-12-2013 09:05 AM)Chas Wrote:  This is.

Nah. anthropomorphizing an event does not fill the bill.
Now if the elk granted an interview to PBS in order to explain its motives...

Someone doesn't understand...that is not anthropomorphising. That is altruism. Organisims acting selflessly etc is altruism. Altruism is not exclusive to humans. Anthropomorphising refers to giving human characteristics to non-humans. These would be characteristics that are patently human like what is done in the bible.

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31-12-2013, 10:54 AM
RE: Wicca, LDS, Scientology, and "mainstream" Christianity
(31-12-2013 10:14 AM)BlackMason Wrote:  Someone doesn't understand...
Quite all right mate. I'll help you through it.
BlackMason Wrote:...that is not anthropomorphising. That is altruism. Organisims acting selflessly etc is altruism.
In your race to refute me, you attribute the motivation of selflessness to non human organisms. And that is anthropomorphizing by the definition that you provide.

BlackMason Wrote:Altruism is not exclusive to humans.
Ok. Empirically prove it. Show me how you understand the motivation of animals.
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31-12-2013, 11:03 AM
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(31-12-2013 10:54 AM)Kestrel Wrote:  
(31-12-2013 10:14 AM)BlackMason Wrote:  Someone doesn't understand...
Quite all right mate. I'll help you through it.
BlackMason Wrote:...that is not anthropomorphising. That is altruism. Organisims acting selflessly etc is altruism.
In your race to refute me, you attribute the motivation of selflessness to non human organisms. And that is anthropomorphizing by the definition that you provide.

BlackMason Wrote:Altruism is not exclusive to humans.
Ok. Empirically prove it. Show me how you understand the motivation of animals.
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It is an objectively observed fact that one elk prevented the wolves from killing the injured elk and risked its own life in doing so.

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31-12-2013, 11:11 AM
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(29-12-2013 07:29 AM)Vipa Wrote:  The answers I got are along the same lines atheists would use: They are obviously silly and how could someone possibly believe this... It's sad that the irony is lost on them Tongue

Reminds me of that old saying, "If all the Christians who have called other Christians 'not really a Christian' were to vanish, there'd be no Christians left."
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31-12-2013, 01:19 PM
RE: Wicca, LDS, Scientology, and "mainstream" Christianity
Chas Wrote:It is an objectively observed fact that one elk prevented the wolves from killing the injured elk and risked its own life in doing so.
No.
There is no way to know that the elk knew it was "risking" itself in its "consideration" of the other elks plight.

There are plenty of similar videos and anecdotal snips of the seeming altruism of animals. But no evidence or even proof of what the interfering animals motivation or weirder yet, reason is/was.


Except Dory. But even she forgot what motivated her.
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31-12-2013, 01:25 PM
RE: Wicca, LDS, Scientology, and "mainstream" Christianity
(31-12-2013 01:19 PM)Kestrel Wrote:  
Chas Wrote:It is an objectively observed fact that one elk prevented the wolves from killing the injured elk and risked its own life in doing so.
No.
There is no way to know that the elk knew it was "risking" itself in its "consideration" of the other elks plight.

There are plenty of similar videos and anecdotal snips of the seeming altruism of animals. But no evidence or even proof of what the interfering animals motivation or weirder yet, reason is/was.


Except Dory. But even she forgot what motivated her.
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Seriously? Those are wolves. The elk knows that.

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31-12-2013, 01:36 PM
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You seem to know an awful lot about what elk "know".
Are you a member?

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31-12-2013, 01:43 PM
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Theres no way on FSM's green earth I could resist that. Cool

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