Will Humans Be Phased Out In Favor of Cyborgs or Silicon Artificial Intelligence?
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25-03-2016, 08:51 AM
Will Humans Be Phased Out In Favor of Cyborgs or Silicon Artificial Intelligence?
2015 was a bumper crop of developments in the realm of AI and 2016 looks like it could go even further. We have seen computers learning to solve increasingly complex problems, including advanced game theory, with a drastic reduction in errors. What may be the largest - and brightest - future for AI systems is in big data. The speed and smartness of these new systems will be able to route through vast amounts of data to solve commercial and industrial problems or search for new business. I'm also quite certain another application could be in national defense or homeland security, scouring through the gargantuan tides of data which flow through the internet and telecommunications every day to spot potential criminal or terrorists plots and alert the authorities to intervene. AI's promise self driving cars and interconnect to solve traffic management problems and prevent accidents, a smart energy grid, which wastes less power but still delivers electricity and bandwidth where needed, artificial medical doctors who can diagnose disease and robots to perform surgeries with more precision than human's can, human-like robots, such as realistic but slightly creepy SOFIA, which interact with humans, possibly in the near future performing social services such as child care, companionship for the elderly - the list is endless.

Which makes me wonder are humans becoming more and more of a dinosaur? Are we about to be eclipsed by our creation or can our creation only enhance our lives beyond anything we can currently imagine. People have so often feared the end of humanity by an Hollywood type AI similar to HAL9000, VICKI or SkyNet - calm, collected and homicidal AI which have deemed the human race outdated and dangerous and slated their extinction to make way for the new Silicon Age of Earth. But I'm guessing that humans themselves will integrate right in with the new AIs in the form of cybernetics - surgical implants of computer systems or MEMS into their bodies which will allow them to keep pace with their Silicon counterparts. This isn't that far away; cybernetic proposals are already on the drawing boards for restoration of eyesight or repair of spinal cord injuries. In a few decades, it is very possible cybernetics can be used to enhance and augment our own brains and central nervous systems. In truth the future will largely run by AI and robots, but humans will be part of that and our future will be far more amazing - and brighter - than anything we could have predicted.

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25-03-2016, 08:55 AM
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25-03-2016, 08:59 AM
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Brings back memories of lyrics from one of my favorite KMFDM songs, Sucks:

"Our music is sampled, totally fake
It's done by machines, 'coz they don't make mistakes"

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25-03-2016, 09:19 AM
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(25-03-2016 08:55 AM)Mr. Boston Wrote:  


We probably won't be enslaved there by Agent Smith, but there will be real life Matrixes (Matrices?) which we can neurally interconnect to and fully interact with.

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25-03-2016, 09:20 AM (This post was last modified: 25-03-2016 09:25 AM by Carlo_The_Bugsmasher_Driver.)
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25-03-2016, 09:24 AM
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It's all about scalability, generalisability and waiting for people to catch up.

For every technological step you make loads of people can be made redundant. So for example instead of a hundred people screwing on the cap of a tube of toothpaste you get a robot to do it. Voice recognition allows you to get rid of hundreds of people working a call centre. But these aren't technically demanding jobs. Yet every step in technology requires a significant amount of effort and infrastructure to be made possible. So for example traffic management or smart grids also require a huge infrastructure to be put in place and every car to be equipped with suitable technology. Being able to search for anything on google requires all that information to be digitised in the first place.

Yet every technological step only makes AI marginally more generalisable. To be truly intelligent in the same way that a human is you'd need the processing power of not just a human brain, but the equivalent of evolving many lifetimes of humans. While Deep Mind's Go playing program is impressive, you can't just take the program and let it learn a whole new game without any changes or training for example.

While the march of AI seems impressive, bear in mind that it's piggy backing upon significant changes to society. Your tablet would be significantly less impressive if you didn't have plenty of apps to run or information that it could access. The kind of advancements that we are seeing were promised way back in the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's and noughties too and were only ever just a few years in the future.

Driving all this though is Moore's law, which in its current form is fast coming to an end due to hard physical limitations such as the speed of light and interence from quantum noise. It's likely that after Moore's law comes to an end, any further improvements that will be made will require a radically different form of computing. Software engineering still hasn't adapted to making full use of multi-core and parallel processing. It took several decades to learn how to deal with the software crisis where most enterprise scale systems failed to perform the function they were designed for.

While processing power has been exponentially increasing for many decades, human understanding has been lagging behind. The ability to measure and our understanding has not been improving exponentially in the same way that processing power has. There are still many fundamental problems in AI which people haven't made any significant progress on yet.

As for cybernetic implants, would you want a silicon chip implanted in your brain or to have your optic nerve hacked apart and your eye replaced with some Apple built iEye with built in obsolescence and a glued in battery that catches fire?
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25-03-2016, 09:43 AM
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(25-03-2016 09:24 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  It's all about scalability, generalisability and waiting for people to catch up.

For every technological step you make loads of people can be made redundant. So for example instead of a hundred people screwing on the cap of a tube of toothpaste you get a robot to do it. Voice recognition allows you to get rid of hundreds of people working a call centre. But these aren't technically demanding jobs. Yet every step in technology requires a significant amount of effort and infrastructure to be made possible. So for example traffic management or smart grids also require a huge infrastructure to be put in place and every car to be equipped with suitable technology. Being able to search for anything on google requires all that information to be digitised in the first place.

Yet every technological step only makes AI marginally more generalisable. To be truly intelligent in the same way that a human is you'd need the processing power of not just a human brain, but the equivalent of evolving many lifetimes of humans. While Deep Mind's Go playing program is impressive, you can't just take the program and let it learn a whole new game without any changes or training for example.

While the march of AI seems impressive, bear in mind that it's piggy backing upon significant changes to society. Your tablet would be significantly less impressive if you didn't have plenty of apps to run or information that it could access. The kind of advancements that we are seeing were promised way back in the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's and noughties too and were only ever just a few years in the future.

Driving all this though is Moore's law, which in its current form is fast coming to an end due to hard physical limitations such as the speed of light and interence from quantum noise. It's likely that after Moore's law comes to an end, any further improvements that will be made will require a radically different form of computing. Software engineering still hasn't adapted to making full use of multi-core and parallel processing. It took several decades to learn how to deal with the software crisis where most enterprise scale systems failed to perform the function they were designed for.

While processing power has been exponentially increasing for many decades, human understanding has been lagging behind. The ability to measure and our understanding has not been improving exponentially in the same way that processing power has. There are still many fundamental problems in AI which people haven't made any significant progress on yet.

As for cybernetic implants, would you want a silicon chip implanted in your brain or to have your optic nerve hacked apart and your eye replaced with some Apple built iEye with built in obsolescence and a glued in battery that catches fire?

Give it another 10-20 years and yes, AIs will be matching us and going far beyond what we can do. As to bionic replacement body parts, the answer is yes, you would want them. Because the alternative to them is to be blind, paralyzed, irreparably injured. etc.

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25-03-2016, 09:58 AM
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(25-03-2016 09:43 AM)Carlo_The_Bugsmasher_Driver Wrote:  Give it another 10-20 years and yes, AIs will be matching us and going far beyond what we can do.

And your reason for thinking this is?
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25-03-2016, 12:14 PM
RE: Will Humans Be Phased Out In Favor of Cyborgs or Silicon Artificial Intelligence?
Cyborgs (in the sense of humans who have enhanced cognitive abilities due to implants) will only happen if/when neural implants become much more useful, so don't think we can say if cyborgs will be that prevalent.

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