Will religion ever be a non issue?
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29-04-2012, 06:23 AM
RE: Will religion ever be a non issue?
With you all the way apart from this bit...
(29-04-2012 02:37 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  ... industrial revolution, World War II, or the fall of communism.
All three were about greed.
Better examples might be, the English Civil War, Chartist Movement, US / French / Russian Revolution, Suffragettes etc.

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29-04-2012, 12:50 PM
RE: Will religion ever be a non issue?
once religion is a minority, it still may be 100+ years for it to finally die out. i can imagine when the world was discovered to not be flat, there must have been (and still are) a small group of people who refused to accept the idea. in reality religion will never truly die due to the last few lingering crazies, we are looking at around 100-200 years for it to get to the point where their position doesn't even get credit.

religion becoming a minority in first world countries could happen in as few as 20-50 years easily. adding 100-200 on top of that and my answer to your questions is "yes, in 120-250 years"

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29-04-2012, 01:19 PM
RE: Will religion ever be a non issue?
If you tell a lie long enough loud enough and often enough the people will believe it.

Atheist believe God is the lie. Theist believe everything but the true God is a lie. One of the two is correct.

I really liked the part about selling off the church buildings a property to feed the poor and improve health. Of course we would never want to stop buying cigarettes, porn and alcohol to use that money for the same purpose. Lets get rid of those pesky religious zealots and use their stuff instead. Seriously flawed logic.


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29-04-2012, 01:51 PM
RE: Will religion ever be a non issue?
(28-04-2012 06:26 PM)Erxomai Wrote:  Religion still exists 20,000 years from now according to Dune. Smile


I remember reading Dune when I was in high school and I remember thinking that if Jesus didn't return before another 20,000 years went by, how many people would still believe?
Of course, at that time, I thought that I would still believe, no matter how long it took for his return. Dodgy
For the record that is my favorite movie and book series of allllllll time.
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29-04-2012, 07:34 PM
RE: Will religion ever be a non issue?
(29-04-2012 06:23 AM)DLJ Wrote:  With you all the way apart from this bit...
(29-04-2012 02:37 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  ... industrial revolution, World War II, or the fall of communism.

All three were about greed.
Better examples might be, the English Civil War, Chartist Movement, US / French / Russian Revolution, Suffragettes etc.


Thanks ...I will change it
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30-04-2012, 05:56 AM
RE: Will religion ever be a non issue?
(29-04-2012 01:51 PM)Logisch Wrote:  
(28-04-2012 06:26 PM)Erxomai Wrote:  Religion still exists 20,000 years from now according to Dune. Smile


I remember reading Dune when I was in high school and I remember thinking that if Jesus didn't return before another 20,000 years went by, how many people would still believe?
Of course, at that time, I thought that I would still believe, no matter how long it took for his return. Dodgy
For the record that is my favorite movie and book series of allllllll time.
I was not overly impressed by the David Lynch movie but the books shaped my view of life.
See my signature below for proof

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01-05-2012, 04:48 AM
RE: Will religion ever be a non issue?
(30-04-2012 05:56 AM)DLJ Wrote:  
(29-04-2012 01:51 PM)Logisch Wrote:  For the record that is my favorite movie and book series of allllllll time.
I was not overly impressed by the David Lynch movie but the books shaped my view of life.
See my signature below for proof
Both versions were good IMO, but the newer movie was more true to the book than the original. The books either way, fantastic. (apologies for going off topic)
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01-05-2012, 06:28 PM
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(29-04-2012 01:19 PM)gdemoss Wrote:  If you tell a lie long enough loud enough and often enough the people will believe it.

Atheist believe God is the lie. Theist believe everything but the true God is a lie. One of the two is correct.

I really liked the part about selling off the church buildings a property to feed the poor and improve health. Of course we would never want to stop buying cigarettes, porn and alcohol to use that money for the same purpose. Lets get rid of those pesky religious zealots and use their stuff instead. Seriously flawed logic.


Gary


Gary, sometimes it is better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you're a fool than to open your mouth and prove it.
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01-05-2012, 06:59 PM
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(28-04-2012 06:22 PM)ALovelyChickenMan Wrote:  Do you think religion will ever be something that just isn't spoken about anymore? Or will we always have to have this conversation?

Much like the idea of homosexuality. That was seen as a bad thing but then they started speaking out and are slowly being treated more as equals in more countries. And hopefully in the future we won't need LGBT groups or anything of the sort because its not something to be scrutinized because its just seen as stupid to do so. Much like black people being the victims of racism but now a days, although its less common but still there to all races, it's more of a non issue.

Do you think that will happen to atheism? Eventually we'll stop having to promote free thinking because its just the natural thing to do. Or we won't have to emphasise the value of critical thinking because it's already seen as a good thing.

I bring this up partly because I feel like I'm becoming really apathetic towards the issue of god. I've had enough of people still re using the same horrible arguments then refusing to listen when a response is made. or insulting other people just because it's seen as the good thing to do. Even apologetics is getting annoying. Even though it requires a bit more thinking to get to the bottom of it, it's tedious. I still can't see any proof for it.

If you do think it might, how do you think it'll happen? Everyone atheist? Conclusive proof of god? or just complete separation of church and state?

Given how popular secular mythology is ie horoscopes, new age, conspiracies, etc., I really wonder if religion will ever disappear. It obviously is being eclipsed by scientific discoveries and the age of human reason. Yet 90% of world still remains religious in one form or another. Humans have worshipped deities for the past 50,000 years. And superstition and folklore still reign supreme. People still believe in ghosts, the Loch Ness Monster, the city of Atlantis, etc, even with no scientific evidence to support them.

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01-05-2012, 07:11 PM
RE: Will religion ever be a non issue?
(28-04-2012 06:22 PM)ALovelyChickenMan Wrote:  Do you think religion will ever be something that just isn't spoken about anymore? Or will we always have to have this conversation?
One can dream....

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