Will religion ever be a non issue?
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02-05-2012, 08:45 PM
RE: Will religion ever be a non issue?
(01-05-2012 06:28 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  
(29-04-2012 01:19 PM)gdemoss Wrote:  If you tell a lie long enough loud enough and often enough the people will believe it.

Atheist believe God is the lie. Theist believe everything but the true God is a lie. One of the two is correct.

I really liked the part about selling off the church buildings a property to feed the poor and improve health. Of course we would never want to stop buying cigarettes, porn and alcohol to use that money for the same purpose. Lets get rid of those pesky religious zealots and use their stuff instead. Seriously flawed logic.


Gary


Gary, sometimes it is better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you're a fool than to open your mouth and prove it.
An insult is the best rebuttle you have? Wow.

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02-05-2012, 09:00 PM
RE: Will religion ever be a non issue?
(29-04-2012 01:19 PM)gdemoss Wrote:  If you tell a lie long enough loud enough and often enough the people will believe it.

Atheist believe God is the lie. Theist believe everything but the true God is a lie. One of the two is correct.

I really liked the part about selling off the church buildings a property to feed the poor and improve health. Of course we would never want to stop buying cigarettes, porn and alcohol to use that money for the same purpose. Lets get rid of those pesky religious zealots and use their stuff instead. Seriously flawed logic.


Gary
I don't think you've really gained an understanding of atheism, even after talking to us atheists. You still assume that all of us are "positive" atheists who have determined that there is definitely no god, rather than "negative" atheists who have taken a position of skepticism based on lacking evidence.

Is it going to rain tomorrow? You don't have to fall into the false dichotomy of either believing it will or believing it won't; it's possible to say "I don't know" because you lack information --- you haven't seen a weather prediction --- or because you think the given information isn't strong enough --- you have seen the weatherman's prediction but doubt his ability to accurately forecast the weather or the forecast itself leaves doubt like "40% chance of rain". Please stop redefining atheism. I'm sure this isn't the first time that someone has enlightened you, but I hope it's the last.

Furthermore, I think you've mis-defined theism as well. Theists believe in a god or gods of any sort. Not all theists believe in "one true god", and certainly not one true "God"; that's Christianity, one single type of theism.

My girlfriend is mad at me. Perhaps I shouldn't have tried cooking a stick in her non-stick pan.
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02-05-2012, 10:13 PM
RE: Will religion ever be a non issue?
(29-04-2012 01:19 PM)gdemoss Wrote:  If you tell a lie long enough loud enough and often enough the people will believe it.

Atheist believe God is the lie. Theist believe everything but the true God is a lie. One of the two is correct.

I really liked the part about selling off the church buildings a property to feed the poor and improve health. Of course we would never want to stop buying cigarettes, porn and alcohol to use that money for the same purpose. Lets get rid of those pesky religious zealots and use their stuff instead. Seriously flawed logic.


Gary


Ok Gary. here's why I implied you said something foolish. The fact that people will still buy booze, cigarettes and porn has nothing to do with the fact that if billions of dollars were spent on health and education the world would benefit. Someone here is using seriously flawed logic, and its not me.

Apologies though, I could have worded my reply better. You're comment was foolish, not you.
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03-05-2012, 04:12 PM (This post was last modified: 03-05-2012 04:14 PM by gdemoss.)
RE: Will religion ever be a non issue?
(02-05-2012 10:13 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  
(29-04-2012 01:19 PM)gdemoss Wrote:  If you tell a lie long enough loud enough and often enough the people will believe it.

Atheist believe God is the lie. Theist believe everything but the true God is a lie. One of the two is correct.

I really liked the part about selling off the church buildings a property to feed the poor and improve health. Of course we would never want to stop buying cigarettes, porn and alcohol to use that money for the same purpose. Lets get rid of those pesky religious zealots and use their stuff instead. Seriously flawed logic.


Gary


Ok Gary. here's why I implied you said something foolish. The fact that people will still buy booze, cigarettes and porn has nothing to do with the fact that if billions of dollars were spent on health and education the world would benefit. Someone here is using seriously flawed logic, and its not me.

Apologies though, I could have worded my reply better. You're comment was foolish, not you.
It has everything to do with sources that could have been chosen to raise money rather than the many church properties spoken of. Not that I disagree with the plight that there is way to much land used for temples but humans waste resources on a lot of unnecessary things so targeting any certain one as the solution to a different problem is problematic in itself. It boils down to the worldview. How one determines what is right and wrong, and therefore where to seek solutions. I understood what you were getting at. I don't think you understood me, probably because I don't have a very good command of the English language and communication skills, but I digress.

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(02-05-2012 09:00 PM)Starcrash Wrote:  
(29-04-2012 01:19 PM)gdemoss Wrote:  If you tell a lie long enough loud enough and often enough the people will believe it.

Atheist believe God is the lie. Theist believe everything but the true God is a lie. One of the two is correct.

I really liked the part about selling off the church buildings a property to feed the poor and improve health. Of course we would never want to stop buying cigarettes, porn and alcohol to use that money for the same purpose. Lets get rid of those pesky religious zealots and use their stuff instead. Seriously flawed logic.


Gary
I don't think you've really gained an understanding of atheism, even after talking to us atheists. You still assume that all of us are "positive" atheists who have determined that there is definitely no god, rather than "negative" atheists who have taken a position of skepticism based on lacking evidence.

Is it going to rain tomorrow? You don't have to fall into the false dichotomy of either believing it will or believing it won't; it's possible to say "I don't know" because you lack information --- you haven't seen a weather prediction --- or because you think the given information isn't strong enough --- you have seen the weatherman's prediction but doubt his ability to accurately forecast the weather or the forecast itself leaves doubt like "40% chance of rain". Please stop redefining atheism. I'm sure this isn't the first time that someone has enlightened you, but I hope it's the last.

Furthermore, I think you've mis-defined theism as well. Theists believe in a god or gods of any sort. Not all theists believe in "one true god", and certainly not one true "God"; that's Christianity, one single type of theism.
I have not spent much time working out full definitions of atheism or theism. I have been short sighted as to what views are out there. Do you believe that I meant harm by it?

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03-05-2012, 04:23 PM
RE: Will religion ever be a non issue?
(03-05-2012 04:12 PM)gdemoss Wrote:  I have not spent much time working out full definitions of atheism or theism. I have been short sighted as to what views are out there. Do you believe that I meant harm by it?

Gary
No. You seem like a reasonable guy. I'm fairly sure you had no evil or malicious intent behind it.

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