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01-10-2014, 01:32 AM
RE: Woman beheaded at work in Oklahoma
(01-10-2014 12:57 AM)Logica Humano Wrote:  ...
B) We need more guns to solve problems like this.
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Cheaper solution:

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01-10-2014, 07:47 AM
RE: Woman beheaded at work in Oklahoma
I would say this is a mentally disturbed man who used religion to justify his actions. Sick and sad.
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01-10-2014, 10:01 AM
RE: Woman beheaded at work in Oklahoma
(27-09-2014 06:17 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(26-09-2014 09:32 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  [Image: 1308720002001.jpg]

Fuck you Oklahoma...

Nuh-uh.

Fuck you Islam.

This isn't the only bit of religious-based nuttiness and stupidity in this state of late. So yeah, fuck Oklahoma.
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01-10-2014, 10:38 AM
RE: Woman beheaded at work in Oklahoma
The following was in the NY Times yesterday and contains a very good rundown of the particulars of this incident ....

By TIMOTHY WILLIAMS and MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT SEPT. 30, 2014

An Oklahoma man was charged Tuesday with first-degree murder in the beheading of a co-worker, but federal officials said they had found no links between him and Islamic extremist groups that have beheaded several Western hostages in the Middle East and North Africa in recent weeks.

The accused, Alton Nolen, 30, who worked on the production line of a food processing plant in Moore, Okla., remained in a hospital after being shot by the company’s chief operating officer, who is also a reserve deputy sheriff, the authorities said.

The attack Friday was apparently spurred by Mr. Nolen’s suspension from Vaughan Foods after an employee told supervisors that Mr. Nolen had made inflammatory statements about white people. Mr. Nolen is African-American.

Greg Mashburn, the district attorney for Cleveland County, where the attack occurred, said Mr. Nolen had used “some Arabic terms during the attack,” but did not specify the terms. Mr. Nolen is a recent convert to Islam.

The employee who complained about Mr. Nolen’s statements about white people — identified by the police as Traci Johnson, 43 — was stabbed and slashed in the face and neck during the attack, but has been released from a hospital. It is unclear why Mr. Nolen attacked Colleen Hufford, 54, the beheaded victim.

In addition to the first-degree murder count, prosecutors charged Mr. Nolen with attempted murder and assault with a deadly weapon. If he is convicted of first-degree murder, he faces a potential death sentence under Oklahoma law — a penalty Mr. Mashburn said he was likely to pursue.

Mr. Nolen was interviewed by F.B.I. agents and was “cooperative,” according to a law enforcement official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he did not want to be identified discussing a developing investigation. F.B.I. computer technicians and agents analyzed several of Mr. Nolen’s electronic devices, including his phone, the official said.

The F.B.I. uncovered evidence that Mr. Nolen, who called himself Jah’Keem Yisrael on social media, had looked at a wide range of religious materials, from the Bible to information related to Al Qaeda.

“It’s a mixed bag so far. Beyond being fired, we haven’t found another motive,” the official said, referring to Mr. Nolen’s job suspension.

The official said that the F.B.I. was attempting to discern whom Mr. Nolen interacted with online. The official said that Mr. Nolen, who had posted at least one photograph of a beheading on his Facebook page, had experience with knives because of his job at the food processing center.

Mr. Mashburn described a chaotic scene that started Friday after Mr. Nolen had been told that he had been suspended for making insulting remarks about white people to co-workers.

“He was basically saying he didn’t like white people and had an altercation with our second victim based on that,” Mr. Mashburn said, referring to Ms. Johnson. “There was some back-and-forth with Ms. Johnson, and that led to her complaint with the human resources department.”

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But Mr. Mashburn said Ms. Johnson was one of three people Mr. Nolen may have been seeking at the plant because of some perceived injustice. “They were different races and different genders,” Mr. Mashburn said.

After leaving the personnel office and being escorted to his vehicle, Mr. Nolen drove home, retrieved what the prosecutor described as a “large kitchen knife” and drove back to the plant’s main office.

He attacked Ms. Hufford from behind as she was standing in a doorway, Mr. Mashburn said, and ultimately severed her head.

As other workers in the office tried to stop him by throwing chairs and kicking at him, Mr. Mashburn said, Mr. Nolen slashed and stabbed Ms. Johnson in the neck and face.

“We are aware that he did chase some people away with the knife,” Mr. Mashburn said.

Within moments, Mark Vaughan, the company’s chief operating officer, appeared with a rifle and fired three times. Mr. Nolen was struck once in the arm, the bullet passing through his abdomen, the authorities said.

The attack, Mr. Mashburn said, was “triggered by him having been suspended earlier that day” combined with “some sort of infatuation with beheadings.”

Beginning in 2011, Mr. Nolen spent two years in prison for assaulting and fleeing from a state highway patrol officer and for drug possession, the authorities said.

Mr. Nolen, who has a tattoo of Jesus on his chest and the Arabic phrase “As-salaamu alaikum” (“Peace be with you”) on his abdomen, was brought up in a Christian church, his mother, Joyce Nolen, said in a video posted on Facebook.

“My son was raised up in a loving home,” Ms. Nolen said. “My son was raised up believing in God. That’s what he believes in. My son was a good kid.”

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Yep. That's what he believes in. Undecided

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01-10-2014, 01:00 PM
RE: Woman beheaded at work in Oklahoma
(01-10-2014 10:38 AM)kim Wrote:  The following was in the NY Times yesterday and contains a very good rundown of the particulars of this incident ....

By TIMOTHY WILLIAMS and MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT SEPT. 30, 2014

An Oklahoma man was charged Tuesday with first-degree murder in the beheading of a co-worker, but federal officials said they had found no links between him and Islamic extremist groups that have beheaded several Western hostages in the Middle East and North Africa in recent weeks.

The accused, Alton Nolen, 30, who worked on the production line of a food processing plant in Moore, Okla., remained in a hospital after being shot by the company’s chief operating officer, who is also a reserve deputy sheriff, the authorities said.

The attack Friday was apparently spurred by Mr. Nolen’s suspension from Vaughan Foods after an employee told supervisors that Mr. Nolen had made inflammatory statements about white people. Mr. Nolen is African-American.

Greg Mashburn, the district attorney for Cleveland County, where the attack occurred, said Mr. Nolen had used “some Arabic terms during the attack,” but did not specify the terms. Mr. Nolen is a recent convert to Islam.

The employee who complained about Mr. Nolen’s statements about white people — identified by the police as Traci Johnson, 43 — was stabbed and slashed in the face and neck during the attack, but has been released from a hospital. It is unclear why Mr. Nolen attacked Colleen Hufford, 54, the beheaded victim.

In addition to the first-degree murder count, prosecutors charged Mr. Nolen with attempted murder and assault with a deadly weapon. If he is convicted of first-degree murder, he faces a potential death sentence under Oklahoma law — a penalty Mr. Mashburn said he was likely to pursue.

Mr. Nolen was interviewed by F.B.I. agents and was “cooperative,” according to a law enforcement official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he did not want to be identified discussing a developing investigation. F.B.I. computer technicians and agents analyzed several of Mr. Nolen’s electronic devices, including his phone, the official said.

The F.B.I. uncovered evidence that Mr. Nolen, who called himself Jah’Keem Yisrael on social media, had looked at a wide range of religious materials, from the Bible to information related to Al Qaeda.

“It’s a mixed bag so far. Beyond being fired, we haven’t found another motive,” the official said, referring to Mr. Nolen’s job suspension.

The official said that the F.B.I. was attempting to discern whom Mr. Nolen interacted with online. The official said that Mr. Nolen, who had posted at least one photograph of a beheading on his Facebook page, had experience with knives because of his job at the food processing center.

Mr. Mashburn described a chaotic scene that started Friday after Mr. Nolen had been told that he had been suspended for making insulting remarks about white people to co-workers.

“He was basically saying he didn’t like white people and had an altercation with our second victim based on that,” Mr. Mashburn said, referring to Ms. Johnson. “There was some back-and-forth with Ms. Johnson, and that led to her complaint with the human resources department.”

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But Mr. Mashburn said Ms. Johnson was one of three people Mr. Nolen may have been seeking at the plant because of some perceived injustice. “They were different races and different genders,” Mr. Mashburn said.

After leaving the personnel office and being escorted to his vehicle, Mr. Nolen drove home, retrieved what the prosecutor described as a “large kitchen knife” and drove back to the plant’s main office.

He attacked Ms. Hufford from behind as she was standing in a doorway, Mr. Mashburn said, and ultimately severed her head.

As other workers in the office tried to stop him by throwing chairs and kicking at him, Mr. Mashburn said, Mr. Nolen slashed and stabbed Ms. Johnson in the neck and face.

“We are aware that he did chase some people away with the knife,” Mr. Mashburn said.

Within moments, Mark Vaughan, the company’s chief operating officer, appeared with a rifle and fired three times. Mr. Nolen was struck once in the arm, the bullet passing through his abdomen, the authorities said.

The attack, Mr. Mashburn said, was “triggered by him having been suspended earlier that day” combined with “some sort of infatuation with beheadings.”

Beginning in 2011, Mr. Nolen spent two years in prison for assaulting and fleeing from a state highway patrol officer and for drug possession, the authorities said.

Mr. Nolen, who has a tattoo of Jesus on his chest and the Arabic phrase “As-salaamu alaikum” (“Peace be with you”) on his abdomen, was brought up in a Christian church, his mother, Joyce Nolen, said in a video posted on Facebook.

“My son was raised up in a loving home,” Ms. Nolen said. “My son was raised up believing in God. That’s what he believes in. My son was a good kid.”

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Yep. That's what he believes in. Undecided

First of all I'd classify this as a terrorist attack no doubt about it, a hate crime second, and workplace violence last. I hope they change the workplace violence classification if they haven't already. There's plenty of evidence to support the first two classifications. The only reason the workplace violence classification fits is because he was fired moments before but let's just all forget about why he was fired. He was fired because he flipped out recently and became a vocal and active recruiter for the Muslim faith along with making harsh statements about Christians (which is jihad-ish) and white people (which is racist).

Secondly this just underscores why believing in ridiculous shit like spirits tends to put a damper on one's ability to see reality clearly or in other words reason. I find it funny that his mom says this...

“My son was raised up in a loving home,” Ms. Nolen said. “My son was raised up believing in God. That’s what he believes in. My son was a good kid.”

I translate it to mean this...

"My son was raised up in a unreasonable home," Ms. Nolen said. "My son was raised up believing in the supernatural world completely disconnected from reality. That's what he believes in. My son was never able to reason."
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01-10-2014, 01:34 PM
RE: Woman beheaded at work in Oklahoma
I kind of think it's the other way around. Seems to me, the guy was on the way to flipping out in the first place and latched onto intensely emotional religious shit, which essentially helped to push him over the edge.

This really is not too much different than that guy who shot Gabby Gifford in Arizona - he was schizophrenic. Many schizophrenics report intense feelings and emotions, often having to do with thoughts of a supernatural or alien nature. The reaction to these thoughts can be quite violent.

For people raised religiously, seeking out something religious would be familiar. If the "god" of your religion is telling you to do something, you're gonna do it and it doesn't matter whether you call him god or allah or butch the wonder dog.

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01-10-2014, 02:42 PM
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(26-09-2014 08:05 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(26-09-2014 08:00 PM)CiderThinker Wrote:  Seriously?

I would hope that is a joke, in rather bad taste.

Nothing to lose your head over.
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01-10-2014, 02:49 PM
RE: Woman beheaded at work in Oklahoma
(27-09-2014 06:17 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(26-09-2014 09:32 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  [Image: 1308720002001.jpg]

Fuck you Oklahoma...

Nuh-uh.

Fuck you Islam.

Exactly.

The media is really downplaying the Islamic factor in all this.
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01-10-2014, 05:27 PM
RE: Woman beheaded at work in Oklahoma
(30-09-2014 11:47 PM)DLJ Wrote:  That's just insane!

I can't imagine why anyone would choose to live in a state like that!

No one should tolerate being forced to drive so slowly.

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Fucking....AWESOME!! LOL Bowing

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03-10-2014, 10:12 AM
RE: Woman beheaded at work in Oklahoma
(01-10-2014 12:57 AM)Logica Humano Wrote:  B) We need more guns to solve problems like this.

Not saying "more" guns, but one man trained in use of a weapon (which he just happened to have a rifle available to him) probably stopped more people from being killed/injured.

Why is that a bad thing?

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