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28-11-2011, 12:47 PM
RE: Women and their feelings towards weight.
As a woman I myself flirted with eating disorders in my early 20s due to peer pressure and societal standards of beauty. My cure was to completely break free once and for all from those standards. I became a body builder, which is certainly NOT a popular standard of female beauty. But what it did was to get me off the proverbial hamster wheel of unrealistic expectations. Now I have a much more positive body image, greater self esteem, and a healthy relationship with food. I look back at the days I would be willing to do almost anything to lose a few pounds and shake my head in disbelief of how low my self esteem was. Women need to free themselves from these beauty standards that are imposed on them from the outside, and find their own balance, their way to work WITH their body instead of AGAINST it. But again, that has to come from them, nobody can do it for them.

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28-11-2011, 03:23 PM
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itsFerdinand…thank you for the lovely reminder that we all possess beauty and are worthy of love and affection!!

However…and this might get Tl;dr and ranty and digress-y...

Sweet Jesus on a popsicle stick. A couple of you are really making me feel hateful with your “it’s easy to eat less and work out more” line of bullshit.

I've seen this negative and condescending attitude towards weight and body size a couple of times on this board, and both times I’ve been just…gobsmacked. You men, I’m assuming you are male, are enlightened, smart, intelligent, liberal, open minded and seem to care about being a decent person. You can run logic circles around theists like it ain't no thing, and I follow what you have to say with a cheer. No really…I’ve cheered from time to time. Then...when it comes to off topic discussions, like weight ...and not just weight, but the weight of women...you become patriarchal imbeciles.

So. I had to say something.

First off, to me, there are a couple of issues here that have me raging. One is the fact that there are very few times that you can actually judge a person's health or mental wellbeing by their outward appearance and be right. Most of the time you have no idea what is going on in the life of the stinky person you are sitting next to on the bus. A fat person's body, just like everyone's body, is visible and public, but that doesn't give you license to issue condescending advice. What do we think of people who make cat calls at really hot women? They're kind of skeevy. What do we think of people who have to touch pregnant women’s' bellies without asking for permission? Nosy idiots. If any of you are parents and had to discipline your child in public because nothing else was working and got “the look” from strangers, you know what I’m talking about. The unsolicited judgment from people who don’t know the first damn thing about it. However, what do we think of people who point out that a woman is fat and start telling her exactly what she needs to do as if it's the easiest thing in the world and she is a moron for not knowing and applying this knowledge? We fucking applaud them and then add to the chorus of voices to tell that person how awful they are. Do you not see how this is ridiculous and wrong?? You NEVER know why someone is thin or fat or wrinkled or tan or sad looking or happy looking or bald or hairy or why they talk to themselves or talk to no one...you just don't know, so butt. the fuck. out. “Oh, but what about your health??” Yeah, this isn’t about healthy. This also isn’t something you can diagnose and cure and immunize people from. This is extremely personal and is deeply connected with private emotional issues or major life changes. Doctors still don’t know all of the causes of obesity, or how to fix it. So, take your theories and advice and, again. Butt the fuck out.

The second issue has to do with gender and sexuality. Let's face it. The diet industry is not geared towards men. Why? Because, simply and crudely put, men are not subject to the same fuckability standards that women are held to. According to general public media consensus, fat women are not fuckable. They're not loveable or worthy of any positive attention because, *clutch the pearls* any positive attention might actually CONDONE her body size and we can't have that because being fat is the worst transgression a woman can make. And, we all know this, a woman's worth is only as good as her body. Right? Ugh. You have to be a reprobate to agree with this.

Now, I'm not saying that any of you outright and actively think the above, but it’s this kind of thinking that is ingrained in ALL OF US, fat and thin alike, until we actively root it out and replace it with realistic and positive attitudes with little to no expectations. I’m also not saying that you have to go around cheering that fat is the awesomest way to live and start dating fat people exclusively. Hell, I will own the fact that large men don’t do it for me, but neither do really fit dudes. However, I don’t go around preaching to them about how their body doesn’t make my naughty parts tingle and that they should do this and this and that to change it so it does. Somehow it’s acceptable for men to do this to women. Well, in my world, they don’t get that right to do it anymore. My SO's and I don't get to say negative things about our bodies. Period. We have created a safe and positive space to live in, and it's much more natural to make healthy life choices in that space.

If any woman actually asks you what you think of her body, or starts fishing for compliments, you actually have the choice and the freedom to say something nice that is true. The worst thing you can do is “be honest” because in this case, that is a dick move, and the woman asking that is most likely extremely insecure and vulnerable to being hurt. Anyone with half a brain would be able to pick up on that, so avoid that dick move and either give her a hug and tell her she’s beautiful and leave it at that…or don’t say anything at all. Besides, telling a woman she’s beautiful if she thinks she’s akin to looking like a troll won’t help her change her mind. You can tell her she’s beautiful every day for the rest of her life and, until she begins to think it herself, she won’t believe you. If I ran the world, I’d decree that no woman could ever again ask for validation of her body from a man. The end. A lot of grief would be spared.

Anyway. If this hypothetical fat woman is an intimate partner and you are uncomfortable with the extra weight on her body...then get your own ass off the couch and go do stuff with her. Go for walks, go dancing, bicycling. ANYTHING that is fun and active and you both can have a good time doing together. Don't say anything about this being healthy and a good way to lose weight. Just say..."this is FUN and I love doing this stuff with you, let's do more!!" And if those things don't bring the results you are expecting, then it's time to change yourself and your attitudes or not be in her life. Telling her to eat less and work out more is the most useless waste of breath/typing energy you could expend because, holistically, it DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. No one "prefers to be fat and depressed." That's just a lazy and ignorant statement. For people with emotional attachments to food, and/or who battle severe insecurities, (or people who have full and busy lives) eating less, changing what you eat, and working out more can involve changing your entire life from the inside out. It starts with the mind, and THAT is a huge fucking thing to change. Diet and exercise actually is easy...but creating a healthy mental state to support consistancy is the real challenge. Sometimes it’s just not that easy…and, sadly, that’s why the diet industry is so fucking huge. You try changing your entire outlook on life and the world and yourself. I dare you. You can encounter some not so pretty stuff, and learn some not so nice stuff about your self and that process is draining. It is not easy and can take A LOT of energy and time and patience, so it’s not surprising to me that most people don’t do it.

As you probably guessed, I am fat. However, I’ve done the work. Beyond being an adjective, "fat" holds no meaning for me. You can call me fat and it doesn't sound like the value judgment that it's come to mean. If anyone calls me fat and they mean it as an insult, I find it more of a moral deficiency in THEM. Not all women, and certainly not all fat women, can do the work it takes to being comfortable in their own skin. So it’s our collective responsibility to quit with the body shaming, and start treating each other like freaking people with feelings and desires and who have the right to be happy. It's taken me five years of ACTIVE work to not be affected by the word "fat." I've changed the way I approach meals, which I still struggle with it because I'm battling 30 odd years of habit and a specific attitude towards food. I work out, but I don't struggle as much with that because it’s become fun to me. I've replaced negative self talk by stopping myself when I realize that I'm tearing myself down and forcing myself to replace the negativity with positivity. It's extremely hard to do when everyone on the fucking planet is shouting at me that I have such a pretty face, if only I'd lose some weight.

I'll share with you something else. After five years of this, at 33 years old and standing 5'7", I weigh 268 pounds. This is down from 305. This is not a lot compared to the weight loss demonstrated on those awful shows like “The Biggest Loser” or the of those who follow meals plans that they won’t be able to keep up with for the rest of their lives. Nope. I’ve chosen to be HEALTHY and this has taken time. There are no easy ways out for me. No diet pills, no meal plans, no surgery. Anything I work on making habit and a part of my daily life, has to be habit for life. This is permanent for me, and I’ve worked my ASS off to get where I’m at today and I’m fucking proud of it. Still, anyone could see me on the street today and think that I have a “weight problem.” Knowing what you now know about me, would you actually say to my face that I’m not doing enough? That I’m stupid and lazy? If you were a normal person, no…you wouldn’t. It’s the same with ANYONE. You do not know what that 300-lb lady can do. I was 300 lbs when I ran my first triathlon and no, I didn’t finish last (middle of the pack, actually) AND there were women in the race bigger than I was. Eat that! Yes…eat it. Tastes good, doesn’t it? Wink

As far as feeder fetishists go…leave them alone. No one is forcing you to participate, watch, like, or approve of it. If it’s not your thing, it isn’t for YOU, and that should be enough.


SO PLEASE....stop with the fat shaming and start treating fat people like people. Active and public support of fat people will increase the likelihood of them going out in public to be active. Encouraging kids to go outside to play will increase the likelihood of them actually doing it. Encouraging lawmakers to fund physical fitness in schools, or bike paths on public streets would be an AWESOME way to get some people moving. Whether or not it results in weight loss is no one's business, but getting us out there and moving can be. Fat/body shaming is negative and harmful and a waste of everyone’s time, so STOP. IT.

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28-11-2011, 03:39 PM
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Wow zaika! Thank you for sharing that. Seriously!

I'd like to clarify something (and ask your opinion on it). I DO think that there is a point where being too heavy is not healthy. I don't subscribe to the standard definitions of "over weight", "obese" bla bla bla, but I do think that there's a point where having too much body fat is detrimental to ones health (and I suppose that's why I find myself attracted to a "healthy" body weight).

So my question is this; do you find that the barrier of being percieved as "fat" is easily broken when you've had the chance to share more of yourself than just a first impression of body size? I ask, because it's people like you (that are brave enough to speak out against stereotypes and bullshit) that break down these barriers. It's people like you that can be an example to those who are less brave and feel ashamed because of the bullshit society and media feed us.

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28-11-2011, 03:47 PM
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(28-11-2011 03:23 PM)zaika Wrote:  The second issue has to do with gender and sexuality. Let's face it. The diet industry is not geared towards men. Why? Because, simply and crudely put, men are not subject to the same fuckability standards that women are held to. According to general public media consensus, fat women are not fuckable. They're not loveable or worthy of any positive attention because, *clutch the pearls* any positive attention might actually CONDONE her body size and we can't have that because being fat is the worst transgression a woman can make. And, we all know this, a woman's worth is only as good as her body. Right? Ugh. You have to be a reprobate to agree with this.
I completely agree with the above.

Quote:If any woman actually asks you what you think of her body, or starts fishing for compliments, you actually have the choice and the freedom to say something nice that is true. The worst thing you can do is “be honest” because in this case, that is a dick move, and the woman asking that is most likely extremely insecure and vulnerable to being hurt.

Unfortunately, I have to disagree with this part, as much as I liked all the rest of your post. My philosophy is "don't ask the question if you aren't going to like the answer". Fishing for compliments, putting the other person on the spot, is not nice. If you are fat and you ask "do I look fat", the honest answer would quite probably be "yes". That isn't a "dick" answer, it's a truthful answer. Asking others to lie to you to make yourself feel better is a lot more of a "dick move" to use your expression.
Moreover, I detect an ambivalent attitude here. On one hand you want to convince yourself and everyone else that fat is fine, fat is ok, fat can be beautiful too. But on the other you want to be told you are thin even if you are not. Why? Maybe because you don't feel as good about being fat as you'd like us to believe? Food for thought... Wink

Quote:I'll share with you something else. After five years of this, at 33 years old and standing 5'7", I weigh 268 pounds. This is down from 305. This is not a lot compared to the weight loss demonstrated on those awful shows like “The Biggest Loser” or the of those who follow meals plans that they won’t be able to keep up with for the rest of their lives. Nope. I’ve chosen to be HEALTHY and this has taken time. There are no easy ways out for me. No diet pills, no meal plans, no surgery. Anything I work on making habit and a part of my daily life, has to be habit for life. This is permanent for me, and I’ve worked my ASS off to get where I’m at today and I’m fucking proud of it.

You should be very proud of yourself!

Quote:Knowing what you now know about me, would you actually say to my face that I’m not doing enough? That I’m stupid and lazy?

Personally, I don't think anyone should feel entitled to call anybody stupid or lazy.
But I have to respond to your soap box with my own on this issue. I have several overweight and obese friends and I am fine with that except for one thing. I really, really, REALLY dislike it when they don't own up responsibility for their weight. I have a friend who for the longest time would tell me she would "gain weight from air" because "she ate hardly anything" and couldn't understand why she was so big. It must have been her "genes" and "slow metabolism". Ok, just between you and me, I have seen this person eat, and trust me, I could go a week with what she eats in one day. I count calories and I go hungry when I need to, and I work out 6 days a week, and I can't describe to you how maddening it was to hear from her "oh, you are lucky, you eat what you want and don't gain weight! It's so easy for you!" when in fact I am busting my ass like nobody's business.
So this friend of mine finally signs up for the gastric bypass and before doing that she has to go to a nutrition specialist who, first thing, makes her write a food journal. Oh boy did that open her eyes!!! You don't hear her come up with the "I eat hardly anything" excuse any more! Now she'll tell you "I have poor self control when it comes to eating". And you know what, I respect her a lot more for that!
Now turn on the TV and watch the whole line of "Are you fat? It's not your fault!" ads for diet pills and tell me if it's true that that this society doesn't really like to take a whole lot of responsibility. I am not talking about you, you sound like you do take responsibility and I have a great deal of respect for you, heck I can't do a triathlon and I weight like half as much as you! But it's really hard for me not to judge somebody who eats like 3 people and insists it's their metabolism.

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28-11-2011, 05:20 PM (This post was last modified: 28-11-2011 06:01 PM by zaika.)
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(28-11-2011 03:39 PM)Stark Raving Wrote:  Wow zaika! Thank you for sharing that. Seriously!

I'd like to clarify something (and ask your opinion on it). I DO think that there is a point where being too heavy is not healthy. I don't subscribe to the standard definitions of "over weight", "obese" bla bla bla, but I do think that there's a point where having too much body fat is detrimental to ones health (and I suppose that's why I find myself attracted to a "healthy" body weight).

So my question is this; do you find that the barrier of being percieved as "fat" is easily broken when you've had the chance to share more of yourself than just a first impression of body size? I ask, because it's people like you (that are brave enough to speak out against stereotypes and bullshit) that break down these barriers. It's people like you that can be an example to those who are less brave and feel ashamed because of the bullshit society and media feed us.

Hehe. You're welcome. Smile

To be honest with you, I really don't think that it's the size of the body or the fat itself that is the problem. It's what you put in your body and how active you keep it that makes you healthy or not. Some thin people eat shitty foods and never move from the couch. Is that thin person healthier than the 300 lb person who rides a bike everyday and eats fresh foods? I DO think that if you are so big that you can't move and can't have a life of an enjoyable quality...that it's not healthy. For some people that might be when they are 600 lbs, for others, it's at 250lbs. I will say this, for the record, that I did not enjoy my life at 300 lbs. It wasn't because I thought I was disgusting, but because I felt like I was suffocating and that I could barely walk around my neighborhood without wanting to take a nap. This same friend I mentioned above, is 300 lbs, and she dances and moves with the grace of a thin person...she's happy and she gets to be happy at 300 lbs. No one gets to tell her that she is not happy or healthy, or tell her that she fails at life because of her body size. Still, she gets the speeches and the looks...and she's had to really become an awesome person to take it, dismiss it, and not go postal.

As far as your actual question (hehe...sorry), and thank you for your kind words, btw...Yes, the "fat" barrier is more easily broken down when I get to share my story. It is so much fun to get the "fat treatment" from someone, and then see their minds blown when they know what it is I can actually do. LOL The muscleheads at the gym are my favorites. hehe That said, I think that my attitude (which had to be cultivated, and is still in progress) precedes my size in most situations these days. I'm not a "fat girl" in my head. I know I'm fat, duh, but I don't act like a stereotypical "fat girl." Most of the time my attitude doesn't give anyone any room to give me their opinions about my body, and that has greatly decreased the fat harrassment and increased my friend base. You are what you put out to the world, you know? No one should be ashamed of their body, it's the only one you get! One of my dearest friends is incredibly thin. I've seen her eat...she is not thin on purpose. She spent some years being ashamed of being so thin, and she got a lot of unsolicited advice and comments about how unhealthy it was. Sure, those comments were less vitriolic and judgey than the fat comments I got, but still...she and I had similar issues. Eventually, she decided to work on not caring about other people and doing what was healthy for her. So, I just wish that we could collectively stop judging our and each other's bodies as healthier or sicker than others, and focus on doing things for ourselves that make us feel good and healthy.

(28-11-2011 03:47 PM)sy2502 Wrote:  
Quote:Unfortunately, I have to disagree with this part, as much as I liked all the rest of your post. My philosophy is "don't ask the question if you aren't going to like the answer". Fishing for compliments, putting the other person on the spot, is not nice. If you are fat and you ask "do I look fat", the honest answer would quite probably be "yes". That isn't a "dick" answer, it's a truthful answer. Asking others to lie to you to make yourself feel better is a lot more of a "dick move" to use your expression.
Moreover, I detect an ambivalent attitude here. On one hand you want to convince yourself and everyone else that fat is fine, fat is ok, fat can be beautiful too. But on the other you want to be told you are thin even if you are not. Why? Maybe because you don't feel as good about being fat as you'd like us to believe? Food for thought... Wink

Thank you for your response! I agree and disagree with your disagreement. LOL For one, I so totally agree with the fact that one should never fish for compliments. I try not to. Personally, if I really want/need validation, I actually tell my SO's that I'm feeling insecure and could use some validation. The "dick move" is still not okay and appropriately called such in the situation I originally described because you KNOW saying yes to someone who asked if you think they are fat will devastate them. It's a very unfair situation to be put in, I agree, but there has to be a better response that will neither dance around the issue nor be an outright lie. The catch-22 here is that there really is no good answer. The woman in question would be upset if you didn't respond directly and said something else as much as she would be if you said yes.

As far as the ambivilence...I don't think you read my super long rant very thoroughly. I'm not trying to convince anyone that fat is okay or beautiful or anything. Nor did I ever ask anyone to tell me that I'm thin when I'm not. I have no idea where you got that part from. My entire point was that a) it's none of our business what size a body is, and b) a little understanding and compassion towards the fat people can go a long way. Understanding compassion towards fat people is not akin to supporting unhealthy habits.

[quote]Personally, I don't think anyone should feel entitled to call anybody stupid or lazy.
But I have to respond to your soap box with my own on this issue. I have several overweight and obese friends and I am fine with that except for one thing. I really, really, REALLY dislike it when they don't own up responsibility for their weight.
Um...agree and don't. I have friends who are overweight...because they are on medication that caused rapid weight gain, not because they changed dietary habits or activity levels. I have friends who are overweight...because they just had a kid, and haven't yet acclimated themselves to this new life. I have friends who are overweight...because they got laid off of their construction job and got an office job and haven't yet realized that eating like their stil on a job will make them gain weight. That's not to say that there are those people out there who find their weight to be a problem, and yet don't do what they need to do to change themselves so they can feel happier. I was that person, so I know very well that this absolutely happens. It still doesn't mean it's open season to insult fat people and make them feel like shit.

Quote:I have a friend who for the longest time would tell me she would "gain weight from air" because "she ate hardly anything" and couldn't understand why she was so big. It must have been her "genes" and "slow metabolism". Ok, just between you and me, I have seen this person eat, and trust me, I could go a week with what she eats in one day. I count calories and I go hungry when I need to, and I work out 6 days a week, and I can't describe to you how maddening it was to hear from her "oh, you are lucky, you eat what you want and don't gain weight! It's so easy for you!" when in fact I am busting my ass like nobody's business.
I hear you. It's scary and dangerous when you, or someone you know, is so oblivious and denial to what they are doing that they actually think there is nothing harmful with their behaviour. Again, I was this person. Are you sure you don't know me? LOL

Quote:So this friend of mine finally signs up for the gastric bypass and before doing that she has to go to a nutrition specialist who, first thing, makes her write a food journal. Oh boy did that open her eyes!!! You don't hear her come up with the "I eat hardly anything" excuse any more! Now she'll tell you "I have poor self control when it comes to eating". And you know what, I respect her a lot more for that!

When it comes to changing life habits, you HAVE to be brutally honest with yourself and face the things about yourself that aren't pretty or honorable. Food journaling drastically changes your worldview. It's too bad that she had to resort to surgery to learn this.

Quote:Now turn on the TV and watch the whole line of "Are you fat? It's not your fault!" ads for diet pills and tell me if it's true that that this society doesn't really like to take a whole lot of responsibility. I am not talking about you, you sound like you do take responsibility and I have a great deal of respect for you, heck I can't do a triathlon and I weight like half as much as you! But it's really hard for me not to judge somebody who eats like 3 people and insists it's their metabolism.

I agree that society as a whole doesn't like taking responsibility for their health and wellbeing. That said, that trait is not exclusive to fat people, and it's wholly unfair and just plain wrong to ascribe it as such. Moral judgement of fat people isn't anyone's job and it doesn't help anyone except the judge feel better about themselves. If anything, you should feel compassion for your friend. I mean...she claimed she never ate anything, and it took a food journal before gastric bypass to open her eyes to the fact that she was plain wrong. That's sad. There is an issue there, but it's not the weight.

I'll leave you with this thought. Each and every one of us has emotional issues. Some of those issues are manifested in ways that influence and impact other people. Drugs, smoking, weight, booze, gambling, neediness, arrrogance, etc etc. We don't know what anyone is dealing with, and who knows...that one harsh criticism might be one to do some real damage. So, shouldn't we refrain from judgement entirely? At the end of the day, that's what concerns me the most.

Thank you for your thoughts!! Smile

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28-11-2011, 07:53 PM
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There is a misconception about male perception in the world today (by world I mostly mean western world... and the japanese.) No longer do we live in the days of manly men who can dress however, shave whenever, eat whatever, and smell however. Men are almost as scrutinized as women are about their appearance. I say almost because I think that men are judged partially on what our bodies look like and partially by what we are wearing and what we do to make money. Women are typically judged by men solely on physical looks (at first anyways) because most of us don't really care what you are wearing so long as it's barely there. Women seem to judge men (and society as a whole these days) more on our whole package, which is fucking hard to keep all together. Anyways, we were probably judged on these things the whole time but now we know about it and it can be stressful. I mean fuck there are guys with eating disorders that aren't just about eating a fuckton anymore. Guys are spending tons on clothing these days and some wear makeup and most wear jewelry. Metro is the new normal. We even shave our junk. Manscaping is a term people recognize.
I agree that it is worse for women, and it has been longer for women, I just hope we don't discount men from this issue just because we are supposed to be tough and masculine. Another misconception. By the way, I personally don't fit into this category as I don't care what people think about me. So I might be way wrong... please don't judge me I'll cry if you do. I mean... punch you in the face and kill a deer with my bare hands.

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29-11-2011, 02:32 PM
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Women have the craziest mindsets when it comes to weight. My wife (who is tiny) actually believes she is fat.

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I've had multiple conversations with her about it, and she is concerned with "problem areas". I tell her all the time that these don't exist, but she says they do.

Sometimes I just throw my hands up in frustration and walk away.

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29-11-2011, 02:57 PM
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(29-11-2011 02:32 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  Women have the craziest mindsets when it comes to weight. My wife (who is tiny) actually believes she is fat.

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I've had multiple conversations with her about it, and she is concerned with "problem areas". I tell her all the time that these don't exist, but she says they do.

Sometimes I just throw my hands up in frustration and walk away.

There's a very big difference between being aware of one's "problem areas" and irrational hate of what one sees in the mirror. None of us is perfect, so there's nothing strange in being aware of what's "not perfect". On the other hand, my sister who is bulimic will tell you she DISGUSTS and HATES herself. When she sees herself in the mirror, it's not that she sees both the good with the bad, she ONLY sees the bad, and stresses about it endlessly. That's when things get unhealthy.

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30-11-2011, 04:58 AM (This post was last modified: 30-11-2011 05:09 AM by Filox.)
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I have a feeling most of these posts were against me and my ranting... Fine, I did deserve it and I apologize if I offended anyone, not thinking before posting can be a problem occasionally. But I did notice a few things that I didn't see before, for example SY2502, you are a woman? Damn, how did I miss that, I was sure you were a man, and I have no idea why. My bad.

If you want to know, I've been skinny my whole life, been having problems of getting 2 pounds more since forever, so you could say I also have an eating disorder, everybody was and still are making fun of my weight every day, that is something I live and have fun with. You have no idea what I went through in life because of my weight, so I'm kinda used to it all, I just forget that this subject can still affect people, when you get used to making fun of your friends and they do the same thing to you your whole life, you get used to it all, fat, skinny, bald, gay, deaf, whatever... Making fun of yourself and others helps you get over your problems, but also makes you more dull to other peoples feelings.

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CYTB, you are not alone, only I now like this "disorder", you will too, in time.

Care for some jokes?

My friends always tell me I'm in 2D... (They call me: My 2D friend) Smile
I'm the greatest spy ever, when I turn sideways I become invisible. (Like that Transformer, in Trans2 I think)
I can't jump in the sea, I can only land slowly, like a leaf.

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30-11-2011, 05:48 AM
RE: Women and their feelings towards weight.
My girlfriend is only a little chubby but she hates herself for it, she goes into a state of hysteric depression if she gains so much as a pound now, and its even worse when family, friends and random strangers harass her about it. I honestly wish I was with her all the time, if only to tell those people to keep their fucking mouths shut.
I think shes beautiful, and she doesn't have any problems losing the weight, we used to work out together and she used to eat a lot healthier(still eats a lot healthier than me). But things have happened in the past year and with her job, school, band and prep-work for university she just doesn't have the time anymore...
Luckily shes found a system that works, she walks to and from school and doesn't eat after a certain time at night.

and fortunately she came to a resolution a few weeks ago that she doesn't want to be a stick figure Smile she saw a skinny girl(as skinny as she thought she wanted to be) and was completely disgusted. She still thinks she needs to lose some belly fat though xD but at least now shes realized that she doesn't want to be 110, but more like 160-180. which is a fine weight considering shes pretty damn health conscious Smile

Hey brother christian, with your high and mighty errand, your actions speak so loud, I can't hear a word you're saying.

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"Well this machine kills commies!"
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