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08-12-2011, 11:41 AM
RE: Women and their feelings towards weight.
I get really nervous when I start hearing the "there are people 300lbs that run marathons". Ok so there's 1 or 2 freaks of nature that can do it, but so what? Does it mean it's ok to be 300lbs? Should we all be 300lbs because it's no big deal? Come on people! Instead of pointing at the freaks of nature, why not point to the average obese individual who can't go up a flight of stairs without turning red as a tomato and huffing and puffing like they are having a stroke any moment? Why not point to all the people who have developed diabetes thanks to their obesity? Talking about the 300lbs marathon runner is disingenuous at best.

PS: I can't stand Jamie Eason, she's such a blond... I much prefer Ava Cowan.

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08-12-2011, 01:08 PM
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I still don't understand how HEALTH (NOT what the OP was talking about) and appearance HAVE to correlate? It IS a cultural creation to a very large degree, not a biological one. People have all kinds of illness's that affect their appearance and how 'biologically sound' they are- alopecia, lyme disease, Parkinson's, vitiligo, etc. and these people still manage to find mates that don't discriminate who are not 'freaks of nature' (either the mate or them).

see here as one example.

During the Renaissance period it was idealistic to be bigger. It meant you were rich and well taken care of.

I can't begin to understand how it would feel to be larger then 'norm' (7 billion different people, and there is a norm? *roll my eyes* ), whether it is healthy or not, and be discriminated for the way I LOOK (sound familiar, people openly discussing whether someone 'looks' okay to be accepted or not). Not who I am or what I can do. I would always want to feel beautiful and not lesser than anyone else irregardless of the struggles I face and how they appear.
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08-12-2011, 02:10 PM
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(08-12-2011 01:08 PM)LadyJane Wrote:  I still don't understand how HEALTH (NOT what the OP was talking about) and appearance HAVE to correlate? It IS a cultural creation to a very large degree, not a biological one. People have all kinds of illness's that affect their appearance and how 'biologically sound' they are- alopecia, lyme disease, Parkinson's, vitiligo, etc. and these people still manage to find mates that don't discriminate who are not 'freaks of nature' (either the mate or them).

Generally speaking, people who look like they are in good health are.

Which one of these women would you assmue was in the best physical health?

[Image: kim-kardashian-bikini-pictures-miami-3.jpg]
[Image: kesha-bikini1.jpg]
[Image: pd1818302.jpg]

People who are conscious of their appearance generally spend more time exercising and eating healthier.

In the case of these 3 women, Kim K. clearly takes care of herself from her skin, hair, and figure. Kesha is known to have a serious drinking habit and possibly even drugs. It shows. And it's safe to assume that the 3rd woman eats fastfood and candy on a daily basis. Probably has high blood pressure and maybe diabetes. It's also likely that she will die early of heart attack, stroke, or heart failure.

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08-12-2011, 03:09 PM
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a;slkdfj;woeifwj

*headdesk*

Really? There are so many layers...I don't even know what to say...

My bottom line:

The BMI project: http://kateharding.net/bmi-illustrated/

323 weightlifter vying for Olympic win: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/30...atrick_365

Olympic athletes (amazing examples of fitness here), namely photos #3 and #4: http://ninamatsumoto.wordpress.com/2010/...r-artists/

A very good blog on being heavy and being athletic: http://plusrunner.com/

Overweight professional dancer: http://danceswithfat.wordpress.com/

Female semi pro football team that a friend of mine is on. They train, HARD, several days a week. My friend is on that team, and she is overweight: http://fightingfillies.com/

Just a teeny tiny sampling of how some fat or "fat" people lead their lives, and who have chosen to share it with the rest of us. There are more out there than you think, if you care to think about it at all. I will say this one more time and then I'm banning myself from this thread because I feel a bit like I'm banging my head on a wall here. We are all entitled to our personal preferences and opinions, but we are not entitled to moral judgements of other people's bodies regardless of health status or attractiveness to you. If your attitudes honestly come from an altruistic desire to increase the health and happiness of the citizens of the world, then be proactive and offer positive solutions instead of condescending and lazy comparisons between people of differing body sizes on the internet. Calling 300lb marathon runners freaks of nature, or offering up pictures of women in sexy poses does nothing positive for anyone.

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08-12-2011, 03:15 PM
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(08-12-2011 03:09 PM)zaika Wrote:  a;slkdfj;woeifwj

*headdesk*

Really? There are so many layers...I don't even know what to say...

My bottom line:

The BMI project: http://kateharding.net/bmi-illustrated/

323 weightlifter vying for Olympic win: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/30...atrick_365

Olympic athletes (amazing examples of fitness here), namely photos #3 and #4: http://ninamatsumoto.wordpress.com/2010/...r-artists/

A very good blog on being heavy and being athletic: http://plusrunner.com/

Overweight professional dancer: http://danceswithfat.wordpress.com/

Female semi pro football team that a friend of mine is on. They train, HARD, several days a week. My friend is on that team, and she is overweight: http://fightingfillies.com/

Just a teeny tiny sampling of how some fat or "fat" people lead their lives, and who have chosen to share it with the rest of us. There are more out there than you think, if you care to think about it at all. I will say this one more time and then I'm banning myself from this thread because I feel a bit like I'm banging my head on a wall here. We are all entitled to our personal preferences and opinions, but we are not entitled to moral judgements of other people's bodies regardless of health status or attractiveness to you. If your attitudes honestly come from an altruistic desire to increase the health and happiness of the citizens of the world, then be proactive and offer positive solutions instead of condescending and lazy comparisons between people of differing body sizes on the internet. Calling 300lb marathon runners freaks of nature, or offering up pictures of women in sexy poses does nothing positive for anyone.

Them's my two cents. No...wait...more like ten bucks!! LOL Blush

I haven't said anything bad about people who are overweight. Until my last post I hadn't even mentioned the health aspect. I was talking about what is considered attractive as a potential mate. Bottom line, ask 1000 men which of the 3 women they would want as a sexual partner and 999 will pick Kim K. That's all I'm pointing out. The 3rd woman could very well be healthy but I wouldn't compare the high BMI (joke of a test anyway) of an athlete to the average obese person. It's not like we don't have a very serious obesity problem in the United States.

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08-12-2011, 03:20 PM
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Again, disingenuous post. How many of those athletes were really fat? A couple? In some sports, mass counts more than fitness (see sumo or some positions in football).

Obesity is associated with over 112,000 excess deaths due to cardiovascular disease, over 15,000 excess deaths due to cancer, and over 35,000 excess deaths due to non-cancer, non-cardiovascular disease causes per year in the U.S. population, relative to healthy-weight individuals.
On average, people who are considered obese pay $1,429 (42 percent) more in health care costs than normal-weight individuals. Why? Because they are healthy?
(source: http://win.niddk.nih.gov/statistics/)

For more information on how healthy and fit it is to be obese see also

http://www.obesityinamerica.org/understa...seases.cfm

And let's see if we can put this fable of "fat isn't that bad" to rest. Next we are going to argue that smoking isn't that bad either because my grandma smoked to age 98, right? Rolleyes

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08-12-2011, 03:52 PM
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http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/201...feminists/

Just came across this article. Seems like crying over nothing to me. People, even kids, are not so stupid that they don't know that models in mags are airbrushed and photoshopped. It's not exactly a secret.

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08-12-2011, 05:26 PM (This post was last modified: 09-12-2011 09:44 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Women and their feelings towards weight.
(08-12-2011 03:09 PM)zaika Wrote:  323 weightlifter vying for Olympic win: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/30...atrick_365

286 lb. clean and jerk.




And even more impressive, 250 lb snatch.




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13-01-2012, 10:00 AM
RE: Women and their feelings towards weight.
I feel I am not making my point clear... I want to try again please.

(08-12-2011 03:15 PM)germanyt Wrote:  Bottom line, ask 1000 men which of the 3 women they would want as a sexual partner and 999 will pick Kim K. That's all I'm pointing out. The 3rd woman could very well be healthy but I wouldn't compare the high BMI (joke of a test anyway) of an athlete to the average obese person. It's not like we don't have a very serious obesity problem in the United States.

I am not saying that Kim K is not what people pick as the sexual icon winner. I am not saying that people who are obese are as healthy as people who are 'fit' whose ideal weight is in their BMI. I am saying that people shouldn't have to feel ugly or not beautiful and like the scum of the earth for how they LOOK. In an unrelated way to their health they should basically feel accepted and not discriminated. They should be concerned about their health, but not how people perceive them irregardless of the unhealthy appearance. As morals continue to grow, I understand that evolutionarily speaking a healthy appearing mate is more attractive... but we are in the future now and now we get to decide how to treat people in this day and age. Nobody is fat, people have fat. I saw that written the other day and felt it was exactly what I'm trying to say. They are still people and they should still feel good about their appearance no matter what. Burn victims should feel good, people who have a deformity should feel good People who have thick hair or thin hair should feel good, people who have brown eyes should feel good and people who have fat should feel good. I believe this is what the OP was getting at. At least that's my reply and view, and I am surprised there isn't more support... it just makes me generally sad really.


(08-12-2011 03:52 PM)germanyt Wrote:  http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/201...feminists/

Just came across this article. Seems like crying over nothing to me. People, even kids, are not so stupid that they don't know that models in mags are airbrushed and photoshopped. It's not exactly a secret.

Kids are smart. Kids do see this. Even though they know this, it is still there as a standard. An impossible standard. And now with photo shop so handy, guess what these air-brushing digital-specialists are doing (oh sorry- ahem- photographers)? They are airbrushing these kids and giving these impossibly-far from reality photos back and the parents hang them on the wall so that when kids see them and look in the mirror as they grow up and shape their character they can see how people WISHED they looked and how they actually look and they can feel shitty and abuse themselves and beat themselves up for not meeting a standard that is impossible.

Makes. Me. Wanna. Puke.

I know this because I work in the industry. It's done to babies as NEWBORNS. From the beginning they are never good enough. Why even try? Why not gratify this pain with food that feels good and soothes the brain in ways they crave from other places, like those photos and the people that see them.

It is not black and white- it is a messy, grainy, blurry photoshopped world and standard. A set up for failure. Right next to those photos in the magazine is the ad for fatty greasy buttery feel-good snacks. And then they STILL are not accepted anyway because they missed the mark by MILES. Miles that no one else has walked in but them. It is so freeing to feel beautiful and accepted. Maybe with a healthy response then a healthy attitude can develop- and then a desire to be healthy in every way. The approach to be healthy with no fat so 999 men can pick YOU is a sad approach IMO. It should have already worked if it was going to because that is all we've had for the last 100 years in this society.
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13-01-2012, 11:13 AM (This post was last modified: 13-01-2012 11:16 AM by germanyt.)
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I agree that people should NOT dislike someone for being fat. But I do think that people who are fat should feel bad enough about it to lose weight. No one should be satisfied with being obese.

Basically, you shouldn't pick on someone for being fat but also shouldn't encourage it or make them feel okay about it. Being an enabler is just as bad as being mean.


I am not the most objective person for this topic though. Much of my life revolves around diet and fitness. At least up until I started this new job back in August.

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