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02-06-2016, 10:22 AM
"Words have different meanings..."
The title of this thread was the exact words that a religious co-worker said to me when I pointed out this contradiction between Genesis 22:1 and James 1:13 regarding the God tempting people.
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02-06-2016, 10:26 AM
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as needed to work around inconsistency.
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02-06-2016, 10:34 AM
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Tell them an omniscient god would have been able to foresee that problem, an omnipotent god would have had the ability to fix that problem and an omnibenevolent god would have wanted to fix that problem.

Otherwise, his beloved children wouldn't know what the fuck he was talking about, thus damning them to eternal torment. 'Cause he loves them.

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02-06-2016, 10:41 AM
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(02-06-2016 10:22 AM)SkepticalDaniel Wrote:  The title of this thread was the exact words that a religious co-worker said to me when I pointed out this contradiction between Genesis 22:1 and
regarding the God tempting people.

Words can have different meanings but that's not a sufficient response. They would need to explain what the different meanings are.

Genesis 22:1
And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said to him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am.

James 1:13
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempts he any man:

I don't know of any definitions that would make this not a contradiction.

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02-06-2016, 11:21 AM
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It looks like the meaning is pretty clear. Tell him to go read the original untranslated texts and then he can start arguing about the meaning of the words.

Or...stop talking about this stuff at work?

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02-06-2016, 11:24 AM
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(02-06-2016 11:21 AM)Adrianime Wrote:  It looks like the meaning is pretty clear. Tell him to go read the original untranslated texts and then he can start arguing about the meaning of the words.

Or...stop talking about this stuff at work?
bingo.
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02-06-2016, 11:50 AM
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Homographs?

http://examples.yourdictionary.com/examp...raphs.html

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02-06-2016, 12:06 PM
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(02-06-2016 10:41 AM)unfogged Wrote:  
(02-06-2016 10:22 AM)SkepticalDaniel Wrote:  The title of this thread was the exact words that a religious co-worker said to me when I pointed out this contradiction between Genesis 22:1 and
regarding the God tempting people.

Words can have different meanings but that's not a sufficient response. They would need to explain what the different meanings are.

Genesis 22:1
And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said to him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am.

James 1:13
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempts he any man:

I don't know of any definitions that would make this not a contradiction.

It has to do, I think with the actual Greek words.
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02-06-2016, 12:08 PM
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(02-06-2016 12:06 PM)SkepticalDaniel Wrote:  
(02-06-2016 10:41 AM)unfogged Wrote:  Words can have different meanings but that's not a sufficient response. They would need to explain what the different meanings are.

Genesis 22:1
And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said to him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am.

James 1:13
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempts he any man:

I don't know of any definitions that would make this not a contradiction.

It has to do, I think with the actual Greek words.

Fine. They still have to explain what the different definitions were and why the translators weren't "inspired" to maintain the intended meaning instead of creating an apparent contradiction.

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02-06-2016, 05:33 PM
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We used to call them homonyms back in grade school.

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