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11-11-2016, 04:39 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(11-11-2016 03:59 AM)morondog Wrote:  
(11-11-2016 02:40 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  “Law enforcement agencies in the United States consider anti-government violent extremists, not radicalized Muslims, to be the most severe threat of political violence that they face,” the Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security reported this past June, based on surveys of 382 law enforcement groups.

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/12/right...22743.html

Since Trump is big mates with these guys, I predict the formation of Trump-aligned militias who will carry out "police actions". It's all better if you just change what you call it. It's not terrorism then.

Reminds me of Valerie's letter from V for Vendetta.






I know there’s no way I can convince you this is not one of their tricks. But I don’t care. I am me.

My name is Valerie. I don’t think i’ll live much longer, and I wanted to tell someone about my life. This is the only autobiography that i’ll ever write, and – God – i’m writing it on toilet paper.

I was born in Nottingham in 1985. I don’t remember much of those early years. But I do remember the rain. My grandmother owned a farm in Tottlebrook, and she used to tell me that God was in the rain.

I passed my eleven plus, and went to a girl’s grammar. It was at school that I met my first girlfriend. Her name was Sarah. It was her wrists – they were beautiful. I thought we would love each other forever. I remember our teacher telling us that it was an adolescent phase that people outgrew.

Sarah did.

I didn’t.

In 2002 I fell in love with a girl named Christina. That year I came out to my parents. I couldn’t have done it without Chris holding my hand.

My father wouldn’t look at me. He told me to go and never come back. My mother said nothing.

I’d only told them the truth. Was that so selfish? Our integrity sells for so little, but it is all we really have.

It is the very last inch of us.

And within that inch, we are free.

I’d always known what i’d wanted to do with my life, and in 2015 I started my first film: The Salt Flats.

It was the most important role of my life. Not because of my career, but because that was how I met Ruth. The first time we kissed, I knew I never wanted to kiss any other lips but hers again.

We moved to a small flat in London together. She grew scarlet carsons for me in our window box. And our place always smelt of roses.

Those were the best years of my life.

But America’s war grew worse and worse, and eventually came to London.

After that there were no roses anymore. Not for anyone.

I remember how the meaning of words began to change. How unfamiliar words like “collateral” and “rendition” became frightening. When things like norsefire and the articles of allegiance became powerful. I remember how different became dangerous.

I still don’t understand it: why they hate us so much.


They took Ruth while she was out buying food. I’ve never cried so hard in my life. It wasn’t long until they came for me.

It seems strange that my life should end in such a terrible place.

But for three years I had roses – and apologised to no-one.

I shall die here. Every inch of me shall perish. Every inch.

But one.

An inch.

It is small and it is fragile, and it is the only thing in the world worth having. We must never lose it or give it away. We must never let them take it from us.

I hope that - whoever you are - you escape this place. I hope that the world turns, and that things get better.

But what I hope most of all is that you understand what I mean when I tell you that even though I do not know you, and even though I may not meet you, laugh with you, cry with you, or kiss you: I love you.

With all my heart.

I love you.

-Valerie.

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11-11-2016, 06:28 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(10-11-2016 06:41 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(10-11-2016 08:57 AM)Birdguy1979 Wrote:  They are not like us and the ones that will always refuse to get along (the extremists) need to be wiped out. Little ones included.

By "us" do you mean atheists? 'Cause the Christians fundies ain't like "us" either.

By different I mean that the extremist side of things is far too unlike us to be able to coexist. If you don't believe that their families feel the same as they do about us, you are not a smart person.
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11-11-2016, 06:32 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(11-11-2016 06:28 AM)Birdguy1979 Wrote:  
(10-11-2016 06:41 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  By "us" do you mean atheists? 'Cause the Christians fundies ain't like "us" either.

By different I mean that the extremist side of things is far too unlike us to be able to coexist. If you don't believe that their families feel the same as they do about us, you are not a smart person.

Gotcha. So it's perfectly fair to kill you and your kids then right? After all, you apply that logic to killing others. Too different = kill.

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11-11-2016, 06:33 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(11-11-2016 12:44 AM)morondog Wrote:  Birdie's not the sharpest lightbulb. He was an ardent Trump supporter for a while, then decided Trump was a sack of shit but still voted for him, then decided he's a fan again. Basically I think he's a bit of a shitty human as previously diagnosed, and likes Trump for his racist tendencies (Birdie's pretty racist too), but doesn't want to admit that to himself, so comes up with ridiculous fantasies about the economy and illegals and people on the dole and terrorist kids and all that other shit, to justify himself to himself. Then he comes and tells us about it.

Calling people out on their shit is not racism. Islam is not a race. It is nothing but a dangerous idea. You can be a muslim if you have brown, black, white, or yellow skin. This is about islam being a dangerous ideology and us not having the time to drag them into this century (the extremists), due to the weapons they have and can possibly get.
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11-11-2016, 06:36 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(11-11-2016 06:28 AM)Birdguy1979 Wrote:  
(10-11-2016 06:41 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  By "us" do you mean atheists? 'Cause the Christians fundies ain't like "us" either.

By different I mean that the extremist side of things is far too unlike us to be able to coexist. If you don't believe that their families feel the same as they do about us, you are not a smart person.

So if I threaten to kill you and then show up and try to kill you, it is not acceptable for you to try your hardest to kill me first?
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11-11-2016, 06:40 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(11-11-2016 06:28 AM)Birdguy1979 Wrote:  
(10-11-2016 06:41 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  By "us" do you mean atheists? 'Cause the Christians fundies ain't like "us" either.

By different I mean that the extremist side of things is far too unlike us to be able to coexist. If you don't believe that their families feel the same as they do about us, you are not a smart person.

Okay, so you're cool with also culling the fundamentalist Christian extremists as well? Just find a KKK rally or some Neo-Nazis, and drone strike the shit out of them too? Consider

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11-11-2016, 06:59 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(11-11-2016 06:40 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(11-11-2016 06:28 AM)Birdguy1979 Wrote:  By different I mean that the extremist side of things is far too unlike us to be able to coexist. If you don't believe that their families feel the same as they do about us, you are not a smart person.

Okay, so you're cool with also culling the fundamentalist Christian extremists as well? Just find a KKK rally or some Neo-Nazis, and drone strike the shit out of them too? Consider

The Christian extremists for the most part are not doing violence. They are misguided, but are trying to change laws the legal way. Yesterday I got the impression that you are fine with importing massive amounts of muslims and if underage marriage becomes legal for them, well at least it would be legal. Or is it just wrong if non-muslims do it? Seriously, you are talking out of both sides of your ass.
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11-11-2016, 07:12 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(11-11-2016 06:59 AM)Birdguy1979 Wrote:  
(11-11-2016 06:40 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Okay, so you're cool with also culling the fundamentalist Christian extremists as well? Just find a KKK rally or some Neo-Nazis, and drone strike the shit out of them too? Consider
The Christian extremists for the most part are not doing violence.

Evidently not true, or did you not see the report by the FBI that puts domestic right-wing terrorists at the top of their list of priorities?


(11-11-2016 06:59 AM)Birdguy1979 Wrote:  They are misguided, but are trying to change laws the legal way.

Oh, so bombing abortion clinic is legal now?


(11-11-2016 06:59 AM)Birdguy1979 Wrote:  Yesterday I got the impression that you are fine with importing massive amounts of muslims and if underage marriage becomes legal for them, well at least it would be legal.

If it is ever legalized, it'll be in thanks to our own establish Christian fundamentalists and their efforts to destroy the wall of separation between church and state. They've done their best to codify religious exemptions to whatever they can get way with. If the Muslims ever get that far, it'll be because their work stands on the shoulders of the Christian demagogues who came before them.

None of which I would support, it's just a hypothetical so rife with irony (and your complete inability to make the obvious connections) that causes me to relish it so. Call it schadenfreude if you will, as I'm deriving amusement at your expense.


(11-11-2016 06:59 AM)Birdguy1979 Wrote:  Or is it just wrong if non-muslims do it? Seriously, you are talking out of both sides of your ass.

No, I'm am being perfectly consistent. I take issue with any religious exemptions like that. You're the idiot too stupid to keep up. Drinking Beverage

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11-11-2016, 07:41 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(11-11-2016 06:33 AM)Birdguy1979 Wrote:  
(11-11-2016 12:44 AM)morondog Wrote:  Birdie's not the sharpest lightbulb. He was an ardent Trump supporter for a while, then decided Trump was a sack of shit but still voted for him, then decided he's a fan again. Basically I think he's a bit of a shitty human as previously diagnosed, and likes Trump for his racist tendencies (Birdie's pretty racist too), but doesn't want to admit that to himself, so comes up with ridiculous fantasies about the economy and illegals and people on the dole and terrorist kids and all that other shit, to justify himself to himself. Then he comes and tells us about it.

Calling people out on their shit is not racism. Islam is not a race. It is nothing but a dangerous idea. You can be a muslim if you have brown, black, white, or yellow skin. This is about islam being a dangerous ideology and us not having the time to drag them into this century (the extremists), due to the weapons they have and can possibly get.

You think I've forgotten about your posts about Indians and food stamps?

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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11-11-2016, 07:55 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(11-11-2016 07:41 AM)morondog Wrote:  
(11-11-2016 06:33 AM)Birdguy1979 Wrote:  Calling people out on their shit is not racism. Islam is not a race. It is nothing but a dangerous idea. You can be a muslim if you have brown, black, white, or yellow skin. This is about islam being a dangerous ideology and us not having the time to drag them into this century (the extremists), due to the weapons they have and can possibly get.

You think I've forgotten about your posts about Indians and food stamps?

Taking advantage of taxpayers by running a business using product purchased by foodstamps is some of the bullshit that has to be stopped. I still stand by that.
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