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05-05-2016, 08:28 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(05-05-2016 07:28 AM)BnW Wrote:  
(05-05-2016 06:04 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Honestly, I just don't get it. "Disgusting." Trump says what he feels, and doesn't make apologies for it. Most politicians are so "perfect." They speak with a voice inflection, 3-5 words at a time, like we're stupid. They've been coached on exactly what to say for years. Sometimes, their true self comes out, like Hillary using the term "off the reservation" the other day or being a part of the "CP time" joke. The difference is, the Media let's Hillary get away with it. They disect everything Trump says, report on it repeatedly for days, and take a lot of it out of context. They call him racist because he wants to stop ILLEGAL immigration and Muslim relocation. But ignore the fact that he has close friends that are minorities. They call him sexist but ignore the fact that he was making women CEO's and managers back in the 1970's when no other company was doing that.

There are a lot of us in the GOP that are tired of the far right hijacking the party. We don't care if gays are married. We don't care if planned parenthood receives federal funding. We are sick of the climate change denial.

Trump represents the best ideas of the GOP (Gun rights, low taxes, strong military, borders and anti-terrorism) but isn't a far right social issue loon or religious nut.

The reason he most likely won't win is that the far right knuckle draggers won't get on board. He might even steal a lot of the independents and pull some anti Hillary democrats, but I doubt it will be enough to counter the far right Cruz bots that will stay home. If he would have been a little more conservative this election would have been a Republican win for sure as Nate Silver said.

Bill shit. Your description of his comments is absolutely not what he said. That you have to whitewash his comments tells me you are funny aware of how awful many of his comments have been, and how blatantly racist his comments are.

As for him saying what he feels, are you sure about that? And, if his current comments are really what he feels, was he lying previously when he was pro choice and pro gun control? It was barely 3 weeks ago when he had 3 different positions on abortion in one day.

He believes in nothing but Trump. He changed his opinions based on what people want to hear. That doesn't make him unique as a politician, but your comments that he's somehow real means you're not paying nearly enough attention.

I don't have time to look it up right now, but go Google his comments on gun control from 2000 and then tell me how real he is.

Does it make me racist when I say the illegals need to go? I sell trailers for a living and the people that are clearly here illegal have tons of cash on hand. They run their own businesses and pay no tax, except for sales tax. I would have no complaints if I only had to pay sales tax when I make a purchase. I am saddled with paying the taxes they won't, even though they use our roads, schools, and healthcare. If that makes me an evil racist and trump the next hitler, then bring it on. I am so sick of everything being stacked against people that were born here, especially white people. You can have exclusively black groups, womens groups, hispanic groups, etc. Just don't ever try to have an exclusively white group. Especially never a white male group.
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05-05-2016, 08:31 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(05-05-2016 06:26 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(05-05-2016 06:21 AM)Chas Wrote:  You know that Bush issued more executive orders than Obama

Don't you people ever fact check? Consider.

There is nothing inherently wrong with executive orders, it's the scope that is the issue with Obama. He goes too far. Bypasses Congress to make law, a power the president does not have.

Since he doesn't have that power, then his order is not law.

Go on, keep trying to demonize Obama and ignore the worse shit others have pulled. Facepalm

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05-05-2016, 08:46 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(05-05-2016 08:31 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(05-05-2016 06:26 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  There is nothing inherently wrong with executive orders, it's the scope that is the issue with Obama. He goes too far. Bypasses Congress to make law, a power the president does not have.

Since he doesn't have that power, then his order is not law.

Go on, keep trying to demonize Obama and ignore the worse shit others have pulled. Facepalm

When the government is enforcing it as if it is law, then it is law. Bush pushed the patriot act through, and the government is accepting it as law. As long as they keep taking these EO's, they are laws. When trump gets in and starts to issue them, they will keep accepting them as laws. If they don't, then that will start all the previous ones issued to cave.
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05-05-2016, 10:21 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(04-05-2016 05:34 PM)KUSA Wrote:  I will gladly send you a glass vial of my tears if you are right. I expect the same of you though. I expect this forum will be in a state of deep dark depression in November.

I won't be crying if Trump wins. I've already learnt that the American people do occasionally do very stupid things. We re-elected Nixon ... after the Watergate burglars were known to have a White House connection.

I don't think it will happen this time, though. The numbers are against Trump, and the only was he can broaden his mainstream appeal is by toning down and moderating his rhetoric. The first question is, can he even do that? The second question is what will happen to his base supporters once they see that he too is mealy-mouthed and will say anything to gain votes?

40% of Republicans say they won't vote for him, 20% say they'd actually vote Clinton over Trump, and there's six more months for Trump to offend whatever voting blocs he hasn't insulted yet.

No, I'll need more than a glass. Maybe my local fire department will let me send one of their brush-trucks to collect 'em?
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05-05-2016, 11:11 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(05-05-2016 10:21 AM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  
(04-05-2016 05:34 PM)KUSA Wrote:  I will gladly send you a glass vial of my tears if you are right. I expect the same of you though. I expect this forum will be in a state of deep dark depression in November.

I won't be crying if Trump wins. I've already learnt that the American people do occasionally do very stupid things. We re-elected Nixon ... after the Watergate burglars were known to have a White House connection.

I don't think it will happen this time, though. The numbers are against Trump, and the only was he can broaden his mainstream appeal is by toning down and moderating his rhetoric. The first question is, can he even do that? The second question is what will happen to his base supporters once they see that he too is mealy-mouthed and will say anything to gain votes?

40% of Republicans say they won't vote for him, 20% say they'd actually vote Clinton over Trump, and there's six more months for Trump to offend whatever voting blocs he hasn't insulted yet.

No, I'll need more than a glass. Maybe my local fire department will let me send one of their brush-trucks to collect 'em?

I hope you're right but I don't think Trump can easily be discounted. He *is* a populist. Populists... they're a certain breed. He will literally stop at nothing. He's already mentioned riots and so forth. It's not even half of it. I promise you, this guy is poison. If he doesn't get what he wants by democratic means he will happily go the other way. Isn't he already a bit dodgy for playing around with the Mafia or something like that?

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05-05-2016, 11:49 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(05-05-2016 11:11 AM)morondog Wrote:  
(05-05-2016 10:21 AM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  I won't be crying if Trump wins. I've already learnt that the American people do occasionally do very stupid things. We re-elected Nixon ... after the Watergate burglars were known to have a White House connection.

I don't think it will happen this time, though. The numbers are against Trump, and the only was he can broaden his mainstream appeal is by toning down and moderating his rhetoric. The first question is, can he even do that? The second question is what will happen to his base supporters once they see that he too is mealy-mouthed and will say anything to gain votes?

40% of Republicans say they won't vote for him, 20% say they'd actually vote Clinton over Trump, and there's six more months for Trump to offend whatever voting blocs he hasn't insulted yet.

No, I'll need more than a glass. Maybe my local fire department will let me send one of their brush-trucks to collect 'em?

I hope you're right but I don't think Trump can easily be discounted. He *is* a populist. Populists... they're a certain breed. He will literally stop at nothing. He's already mentioned riots and so forth. It's not even half of it. I promise you, this guy is poison. If he doesn't get what he wants by democratic means he will happily go the other way. Isn't he already a bit dodgy for playing around with the Mafia or something like that?

You may be correct, but I can't be certain. I think it is better to let him clean this shit pile up, rather than let clinton pull the handle on the toilet that obama tossed the country into.
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05-05-2016, 12:06 PM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(05-05-2016 11:11 AM)morondog Wrote:  
(05-05-2016 10:21 AM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  I won't be crying if Trump wins. I've already learnt that the American people do occasionally do very stupid things. We re-elected Nixon ... after the Watergate burglars were known to have a White House connection.

I don't think it will happen this time, though. The numbers are against Trump, and the only was he can broaden his mainstream appeal is by toning down and moderating his rhetoric. The first question is, can he even do that? The second question is what will happen to his base supporters once they see that he too is mealy-mouthed and will say anything to gain votes?

40% of Republicans say they won't vote for him, 20% say they'd actually vote Clinton over Trump, and there's six more months for Trump to offend whatever voting blocs he hasn't insulted yet.

No, I'll need more than a glass. Maybe my local fire department will let me send one of their brush-trucks to collect 'em?

I hope you're right but I don't think Trump can easily be discounted. He *is* a populist. Populists... they're a certain breed. He will literally stop at nothing. He's already mentioned riots and so forth. It's not even half of it. I promise you, this guy is poison. If he doesn't get what he wants by democratic means he will happily go the other way. Isn't he already a bit dodgy for playing around with the Mafia or something like that?

MD I have to agree with you regarding populists. I was living in Venezuela when Hugo Chavez came to power. Up until the moment he was elected many thought that the imbecile would never be elected. His diatribes, threats, buffoonery, idiotic ideas were scoffed at and laughed at by the inteligensia.

Much to the surprise and chagrin of everyone but the poor and disenfranchised the socialist was voted in. Here we are sixteen years later and Venezuela doesn’t even have the money to print money! 750% inflation, chaos, riots and most disturbing they are closing down their breweries! No kidding. Mandated minimum wages being increased by 30% almost monthly. His successor Maduro has followed in his footsteps, nationalizing foreign and domestic companies, draining the treasury and all of this in a country that sits on one, if not the biggest, oil supply in the world.

I think Trump is the American version of Hugo Chavez.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk...led-state/

"How bad is it in Venezuela? Soldiers are stealing goats”
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/04/how-bad-i...goats.html

When Chavez took office I warned the locals that it smelled a lot like what Castro did with Cuba, slowly placing loyalists in seats of power. The Venezuelan inteligensia laughed at me and told me point blank that Venezuelans would never let that happen, they would fight to the death first. Uh-huh. Most of them fled the country with whatever money they could take before the government clamped down on transferring cash. Populism is a very dangerous position with a megalomaniac in power, and if Trump is anything, he is that.

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05-05-2016, 01:16 PM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(05-05-2016 12:06 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  
(05-05-2016 11:11 AM)morondog Wrote:  I hope you're right but I don't think Trump can easily be discounted. He *is* a populist. Populists... they're a certain breed. He will literally stop at nothing. He's already mentioned riots and so forth. It's not even half of it. I promise you, this guy is poison. If he doesn't get what he wants by democratic means he will happily go the other way. Isn't he already a bit dodgy for playing around with the Mafia or something like that?

MD I have to agree with you regarding populists. I was living in Venezuela when Hugo Chavez came to power. Up until the moment he was elected many thought that the imbecile would never be elected. His diatribes, threats, buffoonery, idiotic ideas were scoffed at and laughed at by the inteligensia.

Much to the surprise and chagrin of everyone but the poor and disenfranchised the socialist was voted in. Here we are sixteen years later and Venezuela doesn’t even have the money to print money! 750% inflation, chaos, riots and most disturbing they are closing down their breweries! No kidding. Mandated minimum wages being increased by 30% almost monthly. His successor Maduro has followed in his footsteps, nationalizing foreign and domestic companies, draining the treasury and all of this in a country that sits on one, if not the biggest, oil supply in the world.

I think Trump is the American version of Hugo Chavez.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk...led-state/

"How bad is it in Venezuela? Soldiers are stealing goats”
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/04/how-bad-i...goats.html

When Chavez took office I warned the locals that it smelled a lot like what Castro did with Cuba, slowly placing loyalists in seats of power. The Venezuelan inteligensia laughed at me and told me point blank that Venezuelans would never let that happen, they would fight to the death first. Uh-huh. Most of them fled the country with whatever money they could take before the government clamped down on transferring cash. Populism is a very dangerous position with a megalomaniac in power, and if Trump is anything, he is that.

Maybe Trump and his armed brownshirts will outlaw Democrats and imprison Cruz supporters (nut job Glenn Beck actually said he is scared that this is the path Trump is taking)

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05-05-2016, 01:27 PM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(05-05-2016 01:16 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Maybe Trump and his armed brownshirts will outlaw Democrats and imprison Cruz supporters (nut job Glenn Beck actually said he is scared that this is the path Trump is taking)

I think that's why my GOP ain't gonna be so grand this cycle. Who are Beck's 7M/week listeners gonna vote for now? For that matter, who are the evangelicals gonna vote for after "Two Corinthians 3:17"? And who are the rapist and murderous Mexican illegals gonna vote for now after being betrayed and outed by their largest employer?

#sigh
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05-05-2016, 01:58 PM
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(05-05-2016 12:06 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  
(05-05-2016 11:11 AM)morondog Wrote:  I hope you're right but I don't think Trump can easily be discounted. He *is* a populist. Populists... they're a certain breed. He will literally stop at nothing. He's already mentioned riots and so forth. It's not even half of it. I promise you, this guy is poison. If he doesn't get what he wants by democratic means he will happily go the other way. Isn't he already a bit dodgy for playing around with the Mafia or something like that?

MD I have to agree with you regarding populists. I was living in Venezuela when Hugo Chavez came to power. Up until the moment he was elected many thought that the imbecile would never be elected. His diatribes, threats, buffoonery, idiotic ideas were scoffed at and laughed at by the inteligensia.

Much to the surprise and chagrin of everyone but the poor and disenfranchised the socialist was voted in. Here we are sixteen years later and Venezuela doesn’t even have the money to print money! 750% inflation, chaos, riots and most disturbing they are closing down their breweries! No kidding. Mandated minimum wages being increased by 30% almost monthly. His successor Maduro has followed in his footsteps, nationalizing foreign and domestic companies, draining the treasury and all of this in a country that sits on one, if not the biggest, oil supply in the world.

I think Trump is the American version of Hugo Chavez.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk...led-state/

"How bad is it in Venezuela? Soldiers are stealing goats”
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/04/how-bad-i...goats.html

When Chavez took office I warned the locals that it smelled a lot like what Castro did with Cuba, slowly placing loyalists in seats of power. The Venezuelan inteligensia laughed at me and told me point blank that Venezuelans would never let that happen, they would fight to the death first. Uh-huh. Most of them fled the country with whatever money they could take before the government clamped down on transferring cash. Populism is a very dangerous position with a megalomaniac in power, and if Trump is anything, he is that.

If you think that Trump is going to raise minimum wages, you are mistaken. He even wants to get rid of the welfare population by making them actually work. All the crats want to do is add to the number of welfare kings and queens. Enough already. Maybe min wage should be higher, and maybe it would be if there weren't so many people leaching off our tax dollars and paying nothing into taxes.
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