Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
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06-05-2016, 09:45 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(06-05-2016 09:32 AM)BnW Wrote:  
(06-05-2016 08:23 AM)Vosur Wrote:  You're right that "self-funded" isn't the right term, but the takeaway is that it would be hypocritical to accept money from special interests after having called out so many people for doing the same thing. I suppose if he only ends up accepting money from individual donors the way Bernie Sanders has, it might not hurt his message.

You think a guy who goes around taking about how rich he is won't be hurt asking working class people for money to support his campaign?

Really?

Huh.. both of you seem not aware Trump already has been out there asking for and receiving individual donations.

The notion of him stopping the self fund slogan being wise for the upcoming bickering because it's false already based on those donors and how he's really just loaning his campaign money and will recoup the money spent via others donations.

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06-05-2016, 09:48 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(06-05-2016 09:45 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  Huh.. both of you seem not aware Trump already has been out there asking for and receiving individual donations.
I know that there's a donation button his website, but I don't think he has ever gone out of his way to ask his supporters to donate money to his campaign. Do you know something I don't? Tongue

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06-05-2016, 10:05 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(06-05-2016 09:35 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  
(06-05-2016 08:08 AM)Vosur Wrote:  I think Trump made a big mistake by announcing that he would not self-fund his General Election campaign. I get that it's insanely expensive to do it with your own money, but at the same time, it takes away one of the major arguments he could have used against Clinton, that she is bought by Wall Street and other special interests while he is beholden to no one. I wouldn't be surprised if this decision ended up ruining his chances of winning the GE.

Don't the candidates each spend about five billion dollars? That would bankrupt him.

Again.
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06-05-2016, 10:35 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(06-05-2016 10:05 AM)julep Wrote:  
(06-05-2016 09:35 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  Don't the candidates each spend about five billion dollars? That would bankrupt him.

Again.

Trump has never filed personal bankruptcy.

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06-05-2016, 10:39 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(06-05-2016 10:35 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(06-05-2016 10:05 AM)julep Wrote:  Again.

Trump has never filed personal bankruptcy.

And that makes it better how? Creates businesses, makes a killing by driving them into bankruptcy while costing thousands of jobs with no personal exposure. Smart, but not really much of a positive comment on his character.

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06-05-2016, 10:44 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(05-05-2016 11:11 AM)morondog Wrote:  
(05-05-2016 10:21 AM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  I won't be crying if Trump wins. I've already learnt that the American people do occasionally do very stupid things. We re-elected Nixon ... after the Watergate burglars were known to have a White House connection.

I don't think it will happen this time, though. The numbers are against Trump, and the only was he can broaden his mainstream appeal is by toning down and moderating his rhetoric. The first question is, can he even do that? The second question is what will happen to his base supporters once they see that he too is mealy-mouthed and will say anything to gain votes?

40% of Republicans say they won't vote for him, 20% say they'd actually vote Clinton over Trump, and there's six more months for Trump to offend whatever voting blocs he hasn't insulted yet.

No, I'll need more than a glass. Maybe my local fire department will let me send one of their brush-trucks to collect 'em?

I hope you're right but I don't think Trump can easily be discounted. He *is* a populist. Populists... they're a certain breed. He will literally stop at nothing. He's already mentioned riots and so forth. It's not even half of it. I promise you, this guy is poison. If he doesn't get what he wants by democratic means he will happily go the other way. Isn't he already a bit dodgy for playing around with the Mafia or something like that?

The Republican establishment has lined up against him, the Koch brothers won't have anything to do with him, 40% of Republicans say they wouldn't consider voting for Trump, 19% report that if Trump is the Republican nominee they will vote for Clinton(!), and Clinton holds around a 7% lead in current polling.

I don't discount the possibility of him winning -- I was certainly wrong about him getting the nomination, I didn't think that would happen -- but the cards are stacked against him, and he doesn't have the advantages in a general election that he had in the primaries.
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06-05-2016, 11:10 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
This is all going to get very nasty.

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06-05-2016, 03:00 PM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
This from around the web:

"I am terribly amused by Donald Trump. Despite his lack of political experience or grasp of policy, I have found his run for president very entertaining. Even more intriguing, he is potentially good for the country and better for the Republican Party.

What I mean by “good” is that a two-party system only functions properly when you have two functional parties. At present, America lacks that. Trump could very well help achieve that worthy goal by burning the Republican Party to the ground, forcing the next generation of conservatives to rebuild it from scratch, into a rational and logically coherent organization, as opposed to whatever indescribable mess it is now.” ~ BR

http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2...ffect-them

I wonder if political parties can refuse to allow people from joining?

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06-05-2016, 03:55 PM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(06-05-2016 10:39 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(06-05-2016 10:35 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Trump has never filed personal bankruptcy.

And that makes it better how? Creates businesses, makes a killing by driving them into bankruptcy while costing thousands of jobs with no personal exposure. Smart, but not really much of a positive comment on his character.

Only this time that business will be the U.S. and the money is ours.

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06-05-2016, 05:00 PM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
Trump made all kinds of promises he never kept, when asking for deals for his East Coast casinos. Not only did he not live up to his promises,, he walked away from the debt.

Some of his latest craziness. No rational person would buy this snake oil.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/04/news/eco...bble-debt/
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/low-int...2016-05-05
http://www.salon.com/2016/03/11/trumps_n...n_america/

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