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14-06-2016, 05:50 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(13-06-2016 03:03 PM)tomilay Wrote:  
(13-06-2016 02:28 PM)Birdguy1979 Wrote:  Yes, either die or decide to do a job. Whichever comes first. There are lots of things that need to be done. For them to sit there and say "Nope, don't want to work." is not acceptable.
What do you do with the pregnant ones?

You don't see a problem with placing millions of lazy people on the path to a slow death after snatching their children.

Is there more than a slight risk that some of them become criminals? A danger to polite society?

Do you see any potential risks? What would it cost to mitigate them?

What do you reckon this kind of program would cost in socio-economic terms?

The pregnant ones lose the kid after it is born. As far as becoming criminals, most of the ones I have the problem with are. They have to do something for spending money, so they steal stuff like baby formula to cut the drugs they sell. Or just sell the formula. Not to be racist, but take a trip into a convenience store owned someone from india. In most cases the powdered formula on their shelves, they got from a supermarket using multiple foodstamp cards.
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14-06-2016, 06:07 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(14-06-2016 05:50 AM)Birdguy1979 Wrote:  Not to be racist, but take a trip into a convenience store owned someone from india. In most cases the powdered formula on their shelves, they got from a supermarket using multiple foodstamp cards.

Of course you have evidence for your "so not racist" lies?

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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14-06-2016, 06:48 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(03-03-2016 09:44 PM)Airportkid Wrote:  A statistic getting no mention whatsoever in the primary frenzy seems to me potentially representative of the possible general election outcome, and it's a doozy:

Thus far, in 14 states where both political parties have held primaries, 16,270,018 voters cast their ballot. 3,958,847 of them voted for Clinton, 3,358,611 voted for Trump. That's a 600,000 vote lead.

Moreover, 9,672,999 of those votes were cast by Republicans, 6,597,019 were from Democrats - Clinton beats Trump in straight up votes from a pool of voters only 2/3 the pool Trump drew his votes from.

Hence while Trump may emerge as the Republican nominee, I think his chances in the general are less sanguine by significant degree.

Why this perspective is not even mentioned in Nate Silver's excellent fivethirtyeight is quite a mystery - for example, there was a lot of bluster all over the media about Trump winning by a large margin such a liberal stronghold as Massachussetts. Except he didn't, not by miles. Clinton won 603,784 votes out of 1,204,927 votes cast by Democrats, Trump only got 311,313 votes out of 621,122 cast by Republicans. That is NOT a Trump victory by any yardstick I'm familiar with, other than the sawed off rulers our science challenged media thinks serves as yardsticks.

Clinton has bested Trump in every state except Alabama, Tennessee, New Hampshire, Vermont and Nevada. Even Sanders has beat Trump in 6 states.

I think a large number of us could be served a heaping helping of extra sweet schadenfreude later on this year.

The only safe way to not to have to worry about a Trump win is to not let up on him regardless. There is absolutely no place in a free civil society for the vile scapegoating of race religion and sitting judges and especially the free press. Trump cannot become a despot overnight no, but his tactics set a dangerous tone for any politician of any party to follow.

We have seen this hyper nationalism and demand of party loyalty and scapegoating any dissent before, and that cost 50 million lives and 6 million Jews.

Trump isn't simply "telling it like it is", he is taking a despots political playbook. This is not a left or right issue. This cuts to the core of the need to protect a civil society.

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14-06-2016, 07:16 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(14-06-2016 06:07 AM)morondog Wrote:  
(14-06-2016 05:50 AM)Birdguy1979 Wrote:  Not to be racist, but take a trip into a convenience store owned someone from india. In most cases the powdered formula on their shelves, they got from a supermarket using multiple foodstamp cards.

Of course you have evidence for your "so not racist" lies?

I have no evidence, because I was not allowed to video tape people while at work. I worked in multiple supermarkets and witnessed it first hand. People without kids using multiple foodstamp accounts to buy more formula a few times a day. Usually in amounts more than I made per week. I did smuggle surveillance video out of the one store about 2 years ago. I will attempt to find it. It was a black couple with 3 kids, none young enough to need formula. They would purchase about $900 to $1200 dollars worth of nothing but powdered formula using up to 5 different foodstamp cards. Sometimes 3 times a week.
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14-06-2016, 07:57 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(14-06-2016 07:16 AM)Birdguy1979 Wrote:  
(14-06-2016 06:07 AM)morondog Wrote:  Of course you have evidence for your "so not racist" lies?

I have no evidence, because I was not allowed to video tape people while at work. I worked in multiple supermarkets and witnessed it first hand. People without kids using multiple foodstamp accounts to buy more formula a few times a day. Usually in amounts more than I made per week. I did smuggle surveillance video out of the one store about 2 years ago. I will attempt to find it. It was a black couple with 3 kids, none young enough to need formula. They would purchase about $900 to $1200 dollars worth of nothing but powdered formula using up to 5 different foodstamp cards. Sometimes 3 times a week.

You *idiot*. You made a blanket association about a *whole class* of people. I don't need your stupid home video showing *one* instance. I want proof that Indians or black people in general do this practice. I know that you can't supply it, I'm merely pointing out that you made this gross generalisation simply because no matter how not racist you claim to be, that is *exactly* what you are.

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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14-06-2016, 08:38 AM
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(14-06-2016 06:07 AM)morondog Wrote:  Of course you have evidence for your "so not racist" lies?
How do you know that he's lying? Consider

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14-06-2016, 08:50 AM
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(14-06-2016 08:38 AM)Vosur Wrote:  
(14-06-2016 06:07 AM)morondog Wrote:  Of course you have evidence for your "so not racist" lies?
How do you know that he's lying? Consider

... I'm psychic - you're telling me it's the lily-white truth? If you are I assume you too can supply a single anecdote to support a blanket assertion about a class of people?

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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14-06-2016, 09:01 AM
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I wonder how many news organizations Drumpf will ban before this is all over?

10, 20, all but a handful of ass kissers?

http://www.npr.org/2016/06/13/481923166/...t=20160614

And how is this not shooting off Red Flags all over the place? A presumptive candidate for POTUS restricting press access...strikes me of Communism, Socialism and dare I say tyrannical thinking.

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I cannot understand how anyone who values democracy can support this megalomaniac.

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14-06-2016, 10:41 AM
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(14-06-2016 07:57 AM)morondog Wrote:  
(14-06-2016 07:16 AM)Birdguy1979 Wrote:  I have no evidence, because I was not allowed to video tape people while at work. I worked in multiple supermarkets and witnessed it first hand. People without kids using multiple foodstamp accounts to buy more formula a few times a day. Usually in amounts more than I made per week. I did smuggle surveillance video out of the one store about 2 years ago. I will attempt to find it. It was a black couple with 3 kids, none young enough to need formula. They would purchase about $900 to $1200 dollars worth of nothing but powdered formula using up to 5 different foodstamp cards. Sometimes 3 times a week.

You *idiot*. You made a blanket association about a *whole class* of people. I don't need your stupid home video showing *one* instance. I want proof that Indians or black people in general do this practice. I know that you can't supply it, I'm merely pointing out that you made this gross generalisation simply because no matter how not racist you claim to be, that is *exactly* what you are.

It was not just one family doing what I described. I am not sure I ever caught white people doing it, although I am sure some do. I am not afraid to mention race or religion if it is something I witnessed. Keep in mind this was at multiple stores in multiple areas. If at 10 stores, this happens all the time. I think we can agree this happens at all stores. At least most anyway.
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14-06-2016, 12:30 PM
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(14-06-2016 08:50 AM)morondog Wrote:  ... I'm psychic - you're telling me it's the lily-white truth? If you are I assume you too can supply a single anecdote to support a blanket assertion about a class of people?
I don't know either way. I'm just saying it's disingenuous to call someone a liar when you don't know their claims to be false.

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