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17-06-2016, 05:43 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(16-06-2016 01:27 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(16-06-2016 11:21 AM)Birdguy1979 Wrote:  As far as I see it. Trump is hated by both sides. Neither side will allow him to do anything, and he will likewise bring them to a halt.

I thought you were voting for him because he was going to stop people from getting welfare and generally be a prick. I mean. That's what you said earlier. Now you want to vote for him for his inability to be effective?

If you go all the way back to the beginning, I originally said that he will stall the government. The drug testing for those living on my dime and cutting off the gravy train is just a bonus. If all that happens is that the government idiots are stalled for the next 4 years, I will be happy.
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17-06-2016, 08:18 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(17-06-2016 05:43 AM)Birdguy1979 Wrote:  
(16-06-2016 01:27 PM)morondog Wrote:  I thought you were voting for him because he was going to stop people from getting welfare and generally be a prick. I mean. That's what you said earlier. Now you want to vote for him for his inability to be effective?

If you go all the way back to the beginning, I originally said that he will stall the government. The drug testing for those living on my dime and cutting off the gravy train is just a bonus. If all that happens is that the government idiots are stalled for the next 4 years, I will be happy.

... Living on your dime huh? Taxes are your fee to live in society. Not your property, once they leave your pocket.

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17-06-2016, 08:44 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
Trump isn't a libertarian who's goal is to disrupt the act of promoting services and halting congress as much as possible. If you thinks that, they're fantasizing something he's not demonstrated a desire for

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17-06-2016, 10:01 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(17-06-2016 08:18 AM)morondog Wrote:  
(17-06-2016 05:43 AM)Birdguy1979 Wrote:  If you go all the way back to the beginning, I originally said that he will stall the government. The drug testing for those living on my dime and cutting off the gravy train is just a bonus. If all that happens is that the government idiots are stalled for the next 4 years, I will be happy.

... Living on your dime huh? Taxes are your fee to live in society. Not your property, once they leave your pocket.

While this is somewhat true, my taxes would be lower if all able bodied people actually worked and paid taxes. The ones that never have and never will are yes, living on my dime.
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17-06-2016, 10:09 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
Able bodied people should have to work to get money.

I don't give a shit whether or not we drug test them, but if they want money, make them work. Seems fair to me.
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17-06-2016, 10:11 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(17-06-2016 10:01 AM)Birdguy1979 Wrote:  
(17-06-2016 08:18 AM)morondog Wrote:  ... Living on your dime huh? Taxes are your fee to live in society. Not your property, once they leave your pocket.

While this is somewhat true, my taxes would be lower if all able bodied people actually worked and paid taxes. The ones that never have and never will are yes, living on my dime.

Really. What is your effective tax rate now?

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17-06-2016, 10:21 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(17-06-2016 10:01 AM)Birdguy1979 Wrote:  
(17-06-2016 08:18 AM)morondog Wrote:  ... Living on your dime huh? Taxes are your fee to live in society. Not your property, once they leave your pocket.

While this is somewhat true, my taxes would be lower if all able bodied people actually worked and paid taxes. The ones that never have and never will are yes, living on my dime.

Dream on. (1) There is zero chance that welfare is going away, and this has nothing to do with whether or not Trump gets elected. (2) Even if it did, they would just find something else to spend the money on. Your tax rate has nothing to do with how much we spend on welfare.

You seem to have very little understanding of how government budgeting (or even government in general) actually works.
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17-06-2016, 11:31 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(17-06-2016 10:21 AM)Grasshopper Wrote:  
(17-06-2016 10:01 AM)Birdguy1979 Wrote:  While this is somewhat true, my taxes would be lower if all able bodied people actually worked and paid taxes. The ones that never have and never will are yes, living on my dime.

Dream on. (1) There is zero chance that welfare is going away, and this has nothing to do with whether or not Trump gets elected. (2) Even if it did, they would just find something else to spend the money on. Your tax rate has nothing to do with how much we spend on welfare.

You seem to have very little understanding of how government budgeting (or even government in general) actually works.

My math works. If there is a group of 1000 people and 300 of them don't pay their share and even take from the others, the others have to pay more. If all pay their share, then all would pay less. It is very simple. The government would still waste our money, but with more people paying the burden would be less.
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17-06-2016, 11:50 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(17-06-2016 11:31 AM)Birdguy1979 Wrote:  
(17-06-2016 10:21 AM)Grasshopper Wrote:  Dream on. (1) There is zero chance that welfare is going away, and this has nothing to do with whether or not Trump gets elected. (2) Even if it did, they would just find something else to spend the money on. Your tax rate has nothing to do with how much we spend on welfare.

You seem to have very little understanding of how government budgeting (or even government in general) actually works.

My math works. If there is a group of 1000 people and 300 of them don't pay their share and even take from the others, the others have to pay more. If all pay their share, then all would pay less. It is very simple. The government would still waste our money, but with more people paying the burden would be less.

No. If more people pay, they will just collect that much more money. They're not going to lower your taxes every time a new taxpayer joins the rolls. It just doesn't work that way. You are dreaming. If the entire welfare system disappeared and all those people started working and paying taxes, it's unlikely that your tax rate would change at all. The two things are not coupled.
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17-06-2016, 12:02 PM (This post was last modified: 18-06-2016 06:37 AM by Full Circle.)
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
Speaking of tax burdens...

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100.

If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that's what they decided to do.

The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until on day, the owner proposed the following. "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20." Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men -- the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?' They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

And so:
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.

"I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man," but he got $10!"

"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got TEN times more than I!"

"That's true!!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!"

"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison. "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!"

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore.

David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics
University of Georgia

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