Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
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28-07-2016, 06:30 PM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(28-07-2016 06:01 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Instead of "idiot" would you prefer completely uninformed and ignorant of basic government and world affairs that even a local councilman should be aware of. I like that better anyway.

Kinda like Hilary being "ignorant" of the fact the government communications are supposed to be conducted over secure government servers?
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28-07-2016, 06:55 PM (This post was last modified: 28-07-2016 07:01 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(28-07-2016 06:30 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(28-07-2016 06:01 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Instead of "idiot" would you prefer completely uninformed and ignorant of basic government and world affairs that even a local councilman should be aware of. I like that better anyway.

Kinda like Hilary being "ignorant" of the fact the government communications are supposed to be conducted over secure government servers?

Oh she was well aware of what she was doing. She was well aware that none of the documents were properly marked. She was well aware that gave her plausible deniability. You want Machiavelli as POTUS? Or Gomer Pyle? Them's your choices.

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28-07-2016, 09:56 PM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(28-07-2016 03:37 AM)adey67 Wrote:  
(28-07-2016 01:53 AM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  He won't win.

Yes but what if he does? I remember thinking there's no way the leave campaign will win in Britain no way at all, I don't think even they thought they could win and yet they did. Life is full of surprises and not always nice ones.

He's got three months of gaffes ahead of him, he's got a double-A management team playing against a very experienced campaign team, he's got major financing issues, running for a party the leadership of which largely refuses to endorse him, he's alienated women and minorities (and white males aren't turing 18 fast enough to make up that deficit!).

He won't win.
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28-07-2016, 10:05 PM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(28-07-2016 09:56 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  
(28-07-2016 03:37 AM)adey67 Wrote:  Yes but what if he does? I remember thinking there's no way the leave campaign will win in Britain no way at all, I don't think even they thought they could win and yet they did. Life is full of surprises and not always nice ones.

He's got three months of gaffes ahead of him, he's got a double-A management team playing against a very experienced campaign team, he's got major financing issues, running for a party the leadership of which largely refuses to endorse him, he's alienated women and minorities (and white males aren't turing 18 fast enough to make up that deficit!).

He won't win.

Agreed on the point about demographics being a problem for Trump. However the concern about finances does not account for Trump's ability to stay in the news cycle and get free media. Clinton has spent a truck load on ads against Trump (as have many others), and they are not moving his numbers.
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28-07-2016, 10:33 PM (This post was last modified: 28-07-2016 10:39 PM by Lord Dark Helmet.)
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(28-07-2016 10:05 PM)BryanS Wrote:  
(28-07-2016 09:56 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  He's got three months of gaffes ahead of him, he's got a double-A management team playing against a very experienced campaign team, he's got major financing issues, running for a party the leadership of which largely refuses to endorse him, he's alienated women and minorities (and white males aren't turing 18 fast enough to make up that deficit!).

He won't win.

Agreed on the point about demographics being a problem for Trump. However the concern about finances does not account for Trump's ability to stay in the news cycle and get free media. Clinton has spent a truck load on ads against Trump (as have many others), and they are not moving his numbers.

She's outspending him 15-1 and he's leading in the polls.

Most candidates would rather put out ads because it's safer. It's scripted. Avoid the media.

Trump's on every channel at least once a day. He even does phone interviews with local news channels. He calls in to conservative radio. It's brilliant actually.

He also has twice as many followers on Facebook as Hillary does. He's a master at social media.

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28-07-2016, 10:58 PM
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(28-07-2016 10:33 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  She's outspending him 15-1 and he's leading in the polls.

Most candidates would rather put out ads because it's safer. It's scripted. Avoid the media.

Trump's on every channel at least once a day. He even does phone interviews with local news channels. He calls in to conservative radio. It's brilliant actually.

He also has twice as many followers on Facebook as Hillary does. He's a master at social media.

Hilary also gets better treatment from the media and she is still losing.
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28-07-2016, 11:33 PM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
The shortsightedness and waffling on a dime of some is hilarious. You know just as oh trump got a RNC boost, Hilairy will have that same media tracking poll lump the same way... people are simple, what is in their face is what drives up numbers, attention formulates interest and acceptance.

Do folks not understand how political media works around here, I thought it was just vosur being too idealistic to not getting how the US stupidness works, but it's seemingly more than that now.

Not to say that's the long term result, but that's how jumps work. That's what the lessons of every primary season are... when one outsider gets some attention, SKYROCkET.. then dullness and boredom and they fall away again to the norms.

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28-07-2016, 11:43 PM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(28-07-2016 11:33 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  The shortsightedness and waffling on a dime of some is hilarious. You know just as oh trump got a RNC boost, Hilairy will have that same media tracking poll lump the same way... people are simple, what is in their face is what drives up numbers, attention formulates interest and acceptance.

Do folks not understand how political media works around here, I thought it was just vosur being too idealistic to not getting how the US stupidness works, but it's seemingly more than that now.

Not to say that's the long term result, but that's how jumps work. That's what the lessons of every primary season are... when one outsider gets some attention, SKYROCkET.. then dullness and boredom and they fall away again to the norms.

Hilary gets a 4 pt bounce at best. She will pull back into a slight lead until the debates when Donald runs her over like the rattlesnake she is.
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29-07-2016, 02:18 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(28-07-2016 11:43 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(28-07-2016 11:33 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  The shortsightedness and waffling on a dime of some is hilarious. You know just as oh trump got a RNC boost, Hilairy will have that same media tracking poll lump the same way... people are simple, what is in their face is what drives up numbers, attention formulates interest and acceptance.

Do folks not understand how political media works around here, I thought it was just vosur being too idealistic to not getting how the US stupidness works, but it's seemingly more than that now.

Not to say that's the long term result, but that's how jumps work. That's what the lessons of every primary season are... when one outsider gets some attention, SKYROCkET.. then dullness and boredom and they fall away again to the norms.

Hilary gets a 4 pt bounce at best. She will pull back into a slight lead until the debates when Donald slithers over like the rattlesnake HE is.
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29-07-2016, 05:53 AM
RE: Worrying About a Trump Victory? Don't.
(28-07-2016 06:55 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(28-07-2016 06:30 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  Kinda like Hilary being "ignorant" of the fact the government communications are supposed to be conducted over secure government servers?

Oh she was well aware of what she was doing. She was well aware that none of the documents were properly marked. She was well aware that gave her plausible deniability. You want Machiavelli as POTUS? Or Gomer Pyle? Them's your choices.

Then she is indeed guilty of treason. It is like the early days of the hunt for pedophiles. Some were getting away with it in court by using the excuse that they didn't know it was illegal or wrong. That wouldn't seem to me that according to our laws they should not be in prison and she (that shall not be named) should also never be president.
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