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27-02-2011, 06:30 PM
 
Would communism work in a society with a great economy?
I have read up on many former communist countries that they started a communist regimes while their economy was not doing well. It would make sense since the workers want a better living standard. But what if a communist regime was to be started on a country with a current high standard of living, and much more wealth?
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27-02-2011, 09:00 PM
RE: Would communism work in a society with a great economy?
First off. There has never been such thing as a communist country, that is an oxymoron, as communism is a stateless and classless society. Communism has never actually been achieved. Countries have been run by Communist parties but the stage of Communism was never achieved, neither by Cuba nor the former USSR. If you read Marx, Communism is the finally stage of socialism. Many would consider Cuba, USSR and China of being state capitalist, as they still have to conform to the global capitalist market for one (but that's a whole discussion in itself).

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27-02-2011, 09:27 PM
 
RE: Would communism work in a society with a great economy?
(27-02-2011 09:00 PM)sosa Wrote:  First off. There has never been such thing as a communist country, that is an oxymoron, as communism is a stateless and classless society. Communism has never actually been achieved. Countries have been run by Communist parties but the stage of Communism was never achieved, neither by Cuba nor the former USSR. If you read Marx, Communism is the finally stage of socialism. Many would consider Cuba, USSR and China of being state capitalist, as they still have to conform to the global capitalist market for one (but that's a whole discussion in itself).
Alright you got me.
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27-02-2011, 10:12 PM
RE: Would communism work in a society with a great economy?
The critique that you'll find by many who consider themselves to be communists is that this can only be achieved after the high stage of capitalism. I think it was Lenin (though I may be wrong) who acknowledged that the Bolshevik revolution was premature. He thought that capitalism was at the last stage, but he was wrong, and he thought that imperialism was also at its final stage, again he was wrong on that. Communism is only possible after capitalism has exhausted itself. You will find differing opinions on this so I would suggest that you read on your own regarding the subject and make up your own opinion after you've read enough about it.

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28-02-2011, 10:12 PM
 
RE: Would communism work in a society with a great economy?
(27-02-2011 10:12 PM)sosa Wrote:  The critique that you'll find by many who consider themselves to be communists is that this can only be achieved after the high stage of capitalism. I think it was Lenin (though I may be wrong) who acknowledged that the Bolshevik revolution was premature. He thought that capitalism was at the last stage, but he was wrong, and he thought that imperialism was also at its final stage, again he was wrong on that. Communism is only possible after capitalism has exhausted itself. You will find differing opinions on this so I would suggest that you read on your own regarding the subject and make up your own opinion after you've read enough about it.
Well when I said compared to past communist states I simply forgot that they werent truly communist. Anyway so would a prospering country be able to adopt socialism and then turn full communist and still work?
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01-03-2011, 01:10 AM
RE: Would communism work in a society with a great economy?
In short, yes.

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02-03-2011, 12:54 PM
RE: Would communism work in a society with a great economy?
The more I think about it, the more I think Marx was dead on. It's a shame Lenin, Stalin, Mao, etc., perverted it and it became dirty word in America discourse. You can watch several of the European countries marching down the path - it may take another couple hundred years, but they are much further along the spectrum than we are...

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08-03-2011, 07:42 PM
RE: Would communism work in a society with a great economy?
To the original question. No.

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08-03-2011, 08:40 PM
RE: Would communism work in a society with a great economy?
sosa - I think you mentioned Socialism from the point of view of some anarchist writers at some point.Please bring them up again , I think it would make an interesting point of comparison.

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08-03-2011, 10:31 PM
RE: Would communism work in a society with a great economy?
These are all good intros to socialism from an anarchist perspective:

The Anarchist FAQ: Section I - What Would An Anarchist Society Look Like?
http://www.infoshop.org/faq/secIcon.html
A 271 page long description of the anarchist alternative to capitalism

The Conquest of Bread
by Peter Kropotkin
http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/anarchist_arc...t/toc.html
A classic description of an Anarcho-Communist Society

From Riot to Revolution
http://www.anarchism.ws/writers/anarcho/...t2rev.html
This was written for the situation in Argentina but most of the ideas can be generalized.

Beyond Resistence: A Revolutionary Manifesto For the Future
http://www.af-north.org/Beyond_Resistancev4.txt
From the Anarchist Federation (Britain/Ireland)

A Modest Proposal for How the Bad Old Days Will End
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropoli...Modest.htm
Advocates Libertarian Communism

Anarchism
by Daniel Guerina
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lob...tents.html
This is one of the more popular introductory books on Anarchism. Section Two contains a description of how an Anarchist society would function.

Common Sense Reasons For Worker Self-Management -- Recommended Reading
http://www.anarchosyndicalism.org/articles/sr2.htm
A short & simple introduction to self-management.

Anarcho-Syndicalism
By Rudolf Rocker
http://www.anarchosyndicalism.org/theory/asindex.htm
This book is a basic intro to Anarcho-Syndicalism and contains a description of the kind of society they aim to achieve.

Anarchism, As We See It
http://www.af-north.org/awsi.txt
Part Four Has a Short description of an Anarcho-Communist society

Aspects of Anarchism
http://www.af-north.org/aspects.htm

After the Revolution
by Diego Abad de Santillan
http://www.anarchosyndicalism.org/theory/after.htm
A description of an anarcho-syndicalist society; comes close to being a blueprint

Programme of Anarcho-Syndicalism
http://www.anarchosyndicalism.org/theory/prog.htm

Libertarian Communism
by Isaac Puente
http://flag.blackened.net/liberty/libcom.html
Pamphlet from the 1930s

Anarchist Alternatives to Capitalism
http://www.anarchism.ws/writers/anarcho/...tives.html

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