Would it concern you if your neighbor is a Muslim?
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19-01-2016, 06:47 AM
RE: Would it concern you if your neighbor is a Muslim?
(19-01-2016 06:26 AM)DLJ Wrote:  
(19-01-2016 05:53 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  ...
It may be but come to Poland. You will see what stupid and uneducated really mean Sadcryface

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Cause / effect?

Are you saying that they are stupid because they are uneducated?

Or that they are uneducated because they are stupid?

Blink

Stupid cause they're uneducated or so I hope. Polish education is far from the best or even good considering reforms which took place some time ago; schematism despite what our officials may claim isn't a virtue.

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19-01-2016, 06:59 AM
RE: Would it concern you if your neighbor is a Muslim?
(19-01-2016 05:47 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  No it wouldn't, nor for most of the Christians I know, primarily because we're not white, and we've had Muslim and Hindu friends and neighbors for several generations.

What the fuck?

Has it entirely escaped your notice that there are white Muslims?

Or are you asserting that non-white people are not racist?

What the actual fuck are you trying to say?

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19-01-2016, 07:16 AM
RE: Would it concern you if your neighbor is a Muslim?
(19-01-2016 06:59 AM)Chas Wrote:  What the fuck?

Has it entirely escaped your notice that there are white Muslims?

No it hasn't. One of my religious studies professors in college was a white muslim.

Quote:Or are you asserting that non-white people are not racist?

What the actual fuck are you trying to say?

That negative attitudes towards muslims, is almost exclusively a "white" thing.

Here's a pew study to back this up: "Muslims receive a neutral rating from blacks (49 on average), but they are rated more negatively by whites (38)." (on a scale where 50 is neutral, above 50 is positive, and below 50 is negative)

http://www.pewforum.org/2014/07/16/how-a...us-groups/

No one is particularly surprised when they see an anti-muslim rally, and see it almost exclusively composed of white faces.

This is not because white people are more racist than other groups. Where as black attitudes towards muslims is positive, black attitudes towards Jews is negative. The inverse is true for whites. The reason why folks like myself, and my community are unlikely to fit into the negative attitudes towards muslims, is because we have a shared history, a shared identify in the western world, that it makes it quite difficult for us to other them. The same can likely be said about young white folks who grew up in the city, in diverse and multicultural environments.

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19-01-2016, 07:33 AM
RE: Would it concern you if your neighbor is a Muslim?
(19-01-2016 07:16 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(19-01-2016 06:59 AM)Chas Wrote:  What the fuck?

Has it entirely escaped your notice that there are white Muslims?

No it hasn't. One of my religious studies professors in college was a white muslim.

Quote:Or are you asserting that non-white people are not racist?

What the actual fuck are you trying to say?

That negative attitudes towards muslims, is almost exclusively a "white" thing.

Here's a pew study to back this up: "Muslims receive a neutral rating from blacks (49 on average), but they are rated more negatively by whites (38)." (on a scale where 50 is neutral, above 50 is positive, and below 50 is negative)

http://www.pewforum.org/2014/07/16/how-a...us-groups/

No one is particularly surprised when they see an anti-muslim rally, and see it almost exclusively composed of white faces.

This is not because white people are more racist than other groups. Where as black attitudes towards muslims is positive, black attitudes towards Jews is negative. The inverse is true for whites. The reason why folks like myself, and my community are unlikely to fit into the negative attitudes towards muslims, is because we have a shared history, a shared identify in the western world, that it makes it quite difficult for us to other them. The same can likely be said about young white folks who grew up in the city, in diverse and multicultural environments.

That may be generally true, but it is not about race - it is about religion and religious motivation.

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19-01-2016, 07:42 AM (This post was last modified: 19-01-2016 07:46 AM by Tomasia.)
RE: Would it concern you if your neighbor is a Muslim?
(19-01-2016 07:33 AM)Chas Wrote:  That may be generally true, but it is not about race - it is about religion and religious motivation.

No, it's about attitudes towards certain groups of people, and in this case in regards to muslims. And these attitudes have considerable racial disparity. For very obvious reasons.

Negative attitudes towards muslim have no real religious motivation, hence why those attitudes don't carry over to non-white christians. It's more likely to do with not knowing any actual muslims personally, and drawing your portrait of them from the headlines on TV, and yours Facebook newsfeed, than what particular religion you subscribe too.

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19-01-2016, 07:54 AM
RE: Would it concern you if your neighbor is a Muslim?
(19-01-2016 07:42 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(19-01-2016 07:33 AM)Chas Wrote:  That may be generally true, but it is not about race - it is about religion and religious motivation.

No, it's about attitudes towards certain groups of people, and in this case in regards to muslims. And these attitudes have considerable racial disparity. For very obvious reasons.

Negative attitudes towards muslim have no real religious motivation,

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Quote:hence why those attitudes don't carry over to non-white christians.

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Quote:It's more likely to do with not knowing any actual muslims personally, and drawing your portrait of them from the headlines on TV, and yours Facebook newsfeed, than what particular religion you subscribe too.

No, it's about what religious beliefs do to people's behavior. It doesn't matter which religion.

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19-01-2016, 08:47 AM (This post was last modified: 19-01-2016 08:53 AM by Tomasia.)
RE: Would it concern you if your neighbor is a Muslim?
(19-01-2016 07:54 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(19-01-2016 07:42 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  No, it's about attitudes towards certain groups of people, and in this case in regards to muslims. And these attitudes have considerable racial disparity. For very obvious reasons.

Negative attitudes towards muslim have no real religious motivation,

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Quote:hence why those attitudes don't carry over to non-white christians.

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Quote:It's more likely to do with not knowing any actual muslims personally, and drawing your portrait of them from the headlines on TV, and yours Facebook newsfeed, than what particular religion you subscribe too.

No, it's about what religious beliefs do to people's behavior. It doesn't matter which religion.


It's already been cited, in the pew link, linked a few posts up.

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19-01-2016, 08:54 AM
RE: Would it concern you if your neighbor is a Muslim?
(19-01-2016 08:47 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(19-01-2016 07:54 AM)Chas Wrote:  [Image: 1390269212824.png]


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No, it's about what religious beliefs do to people's behavior. It doesn't matter which religion.


It's already been cited, in the pew link, linked a few posts up.

Motivation was nowhere addressed. Try again.

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19-01-2016, 09:00 AM (This post was last modified: 19-01-2016 09:03 AM by Tomasia.)
RE: Would it concern you if your neighbor is a Muslim?
(19-01-2016 08:54 AM)Chas Wrote:  Motivation was nowhere addressed. Try again.

If religion were the motivator, then we'd expect to see negative attitudes towards muslims across different racial groups who subscribe to the same religion, but we don't.

"Tell me, muse, of the storyteller who has been thrust to the edge of the world, both an infant and an ancient, and through him reveal everyman." ---Homer the aged poet.

"In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."
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19-01-2016, 09:06 AM
RE: Would it concern you if your neighbor is a Muslim?
Pfft. Probably wouldn't even know. Angel

Although I think one neighbor is a witch. They have a Halloween flag over their door and some creepy scarecrows in the front yard. Gasp

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