Would you be successful in writing Ten new Commandments?
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27-10-2012, 03:28 PM
RE: Would you be successful in writing Ten new Commandments?
(27-10-2012 02:28 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  
(26-10-2012 03:33 PM)Stark Raving Wrote:  . . .encourage people to interpret it.

Differently???

You expect there to be a definite set of interpretations, or infinite interpretations?

You are confused. You have mistaken me for someone interested in conversing with you. That is not the case.

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27-10-2012, 05:31 PM
RE: Would you be successful in writing Ten new Commandments?
Ok, here is mine. It is done in the original format.

1.) Thou shall not fuck with anothers ability to be employed.
2.) Thou shall treat other beings (including lesser ones) with the respect you expect for yourself.
3.) Thou shall not lie for personal gain.
4.) Thou shall always step in and put bullies in their place.
5.) Never take anything for granted and question authority.
6.) Never view someone doing a job that you will not do as less valuable as you are, since without them you will probably be rolling in your own filth before too long.
7.) Humans are not property.
8.) All life is intelligent in its' own way.
9.) Always help people who try to help themselves.
10.) Thou shall not steal, rape, or murder even if it is legal.
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27-10-2012, 06:56 PM
RE: Would you be successful in writing Ten new Commandments?
(26-10-2012 12:45 PM)Aseptic Skeptic Wrote:  1. Treat others the way you want them to treat you, honorably and respectfully.
Terrible idea. I want you to worship me as a god! Ehh I don't think so.

Quote:2. Do not hurt or kill people.
Terrible. Exceptions, exceptions, exceptions. Oh no! A man is going to kill my wife in 5 seconds unless I shoot him! What do I do?? NOTHING! The commandment is to not hurt or kill of course! My country is being invaded! What do I do? NOTHING! Killing them is evil!

Quote:3. Do not lie, cheat, or steal.
Honesty is the best policy little children! Bullshit. Nazi: Do you know where the group of Jews are hiding!? If so tell me! Must tell the truth, as the commandment states! Me: Yes I do, over there. 1000 Jews were murdered.
Quote:4. People are not property.
How is this a command?
Quote:5. Honor all commitments to your spouse, family, community.
I vowed to help paint the community hall. What's this, my son just got killed? Fuck that, must obey commandment!
Quote:6. Always seek to learn new things.
Like what? What happens when you stick a chicken in a toaster and throw it off a cliff??

Quote:7. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
Therefore I like waffles. How is this a commandment?
Quote:8. Do not worship any gods. Ever.
This is utterly retarded. Forcing people to NOT believe in a god is just as bad as forcing people TO believe in a god.
Quote:9. Live life with a sense of joy and wonder.
I will live how I want thank you very much.
Quote:10. Question everything, including these commandments.
Utter stupidity.
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27-10-2012, 07:25 PM
RE: Would you be successful in writing Ten new Commandments?
(27-10-2012 06:56 PM)Magoo Wrote:  
(26-10-2012 12:45 PM)Aseptic Skeptic Wrote:  1. Treat others the way you want them to treat you, honorably and respectfully.
Terrible idea. I want you to worship me as a god! Ehh I don't think so.

Quote:2. Do not hurt or kill people.
Terrible. Exceptions, exceptions, exceptions. Oh no! A man is going to kill my wife in 5 seconds unless I shoot him! What do I do?? NOTHING! The commandment is to not hurt or kill of course! My country is being invaded! What do I do? NOTHING! Killing them is evil!

Quote:3. Do not lie, cheat, or steal.
Honesty is the best policy little children! Bullshit. Nazi: Do you know where the group of Jews are hiding!? If so tell me! Must tell the truth, as the commandment states! Me: Yes I do, over there. 1000 Jews were murdered.
Quote:4. People are not property.
How is this a command?
Quote:5. Honor all commitments to your spouse, family, community.
I vowed to help paint the community hall. What's this, my son just got killed? Fuck that, must obey commandment!
Quote:6. Always seek to learn new things.
Like what? What happens when you stick a chicken in a toaster and throw it off a cliff??

Quote:7. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
Therefore I like waffles. How is this a commandment?
Quote:8. Do not worship any gods. Ever.
This is utterly retarded. Forcing people to NOT believe in a god is just as bad as forcing people TO believe in a god.
Quote:9. Live life with a sense of joy and wonder.
I will live how I want thank you very much.
Quote:10. Question everything, including these commandments.
Utter stupidity.

I tend to view his second one the same as the 1st law of robotics (A robot may not injure a human being, or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.).
And my interpretation goes nicely with his 10th commandment. Question everything.
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28-10-2012, 12:38 AM
RE: Would you be successful in writing Ten new Commandments?
1. Don't listen to people who come to you with lists of commandments.
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28-10-2012, 12:43 AM
RE: Would you be successful in writing Ten new Commandments?
Morondog wins
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28-10-2012, 01:01 AM
RE: Would you be successful in writing Ten new Commandments?
(26-10-2012 02:19 PM)Aseptic Skeptic Wrote:  I'll take the bait.

(26-10-2012 01:10 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  Classic example of atheist circular reasoning being used, as a false hypothesis or something, for critical thinking; ultimately corresponding to the theists' circular reasoning in their doctrines of social organization - so deplored by atheists.

I don't understand what you're saying. Would you please troll me with greater lucidity or at least with less methamphetamine?

I used no circular reasoning for there was no reasoning. Just a "commandment" to question everything including the "commandment" itself. That's not even circular. It just says that we should take nothing for granted and we should be prepared to understand why we do everything while at the same time allowing for the fact that even this suggestion should be examined and not taken for granted - it might not apply to everyone, and nobody will know if it's right for them without examining and questioning it first.

It was also not a hypothesis, false or otherwise. Any chance you just used this word because it's big and impressive, but you really don't know what it means?

I don't even agree that theists have circular reasoning in their social doctrines - their circular reasoning mostly comes from believing in god because the bible says so, and believing the bible because god created it. Two really different things entirely.

(26-10-2012 01:10 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  When are atheists going to finish analysing and get to establishing Truth!?!?!

Is that our job? Do you have any idea what "atheism" means? I can't even find one dictionary that includes "establisher of Truth" in the definition.

Truth is self-defining. If something is true, then it is just true. It doesn't need to be established as true. Water is wet. Water does not need your nor I to establish the fact that it's wet. It just is. I'll grant that if someone disagrees, then maybe someone else might want to throw some facts around to convince the person who disagrees, and that might be providing evidence of the truth, but it's still not establishing truth (with or without your capital-T).

(26-10-2012 01:10 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  Let's move on to the next step in the evolution of Mankind.

Working on it. So are you (though I'm inclined, thus far, to believe just might be farther along the evolutionary path than you). We're going to evolve with or without either of us, so what's your point?

(26-10-2012 01:10 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  Oh, I forgot, we have to wait for the Christians to submit to the atheists demands in order for us to think straight.

Finally we agree - as a society we would think much straighter if Christians began thinking like atheists. That is what you meant, right? Otherwise, I guess I might have missed your point about submitting to atheists' demands - do we have a manifesto that I've overlooked? Can you link it for me? I'd sure love to learn what my demands are.

Or maybe you're just misinformed, clueless, and have no idea what atheism really is.

But thanks for playing.

Its not circular as such although a commandment that you question commandments is likely to lead to circular thinking, it is however not within the critera set by the OP, ie commandments must be beyond reinterpretation. Your commandment whilst independently reasonable flies completely in the face of this guideline and is thus not fit for purpose.

But thanks for playing Wink

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